Terry1954 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Posted July 13, 2023 Shock horror, another small update........... On 7/4/2023 at 10:51 PM, hendie said: As much as I detest PE, there's nothing really to match it for instrument panels is there? 'Cept for those yahu offerings that is. Coming along very nicely Terry Thanks Alan. Yes, for IP's etch like Eduard's is certainly a good solution. On 7/5/2023 at 5:17 AM, Biggles87 said: HThe cockpit etch looks good, if a little flat for the switch panels. Wing rivets- on the Mustang wing the panel lines and rivets were filled and sanded flush then painted to about 60% back from the leading edge, depending on which reference you use. There is a helpful three-view somewhere ( On a recent BM Mustang build I think ) which shows the various finishes. Thanks John. I've a plan to deal with the flatness where that is an obvious issue. Stay tuned! I have found some very helpful stuff on the Mustang panel line filling courtesy of a certain Giorgio @giemme of this parish, in his excellent build of the P-51. 😉 On 7/5/2023 at 12:49 PM, giemme said: I think you should definitely paint it before assembly. Top job with that and the prepping job for the PE! Sound advice Giorgio, and a conclusion I have also come to! Having been watching some old reruns of the Fast Show on IPlayer, I can now reveal that this week, I have mostly been playing with etch, well a very small amount anyway. Some neat additions to the seat..... And some very convoluted folding of a single piece of etch for the rudder pedals. Not sure what happened to that join on the bottom right 🙄 It'll be a case of out of sight, out of mind ........... ! After that bit, I need a holiday! Not much to show, but work continues on other cockpit bits and pieces, so more to see soon. T 16
Biggles87 Posted July 13, 2023 Posted July 13, 2023 Etch folding, Aaargh!! I couldn’t do that even when my fingers worked properly and I could see what I was doing. John 6
bigbadbadge Posted July 14, 2023 Posted July 14, 2023 Nice job on the seat n pedals, they look rather nice Terry. Chris 1
The Spadgent Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 I didn’t see this until now. Great to watch another build being made for the museum. 😇 I’m with Georgio, deffo paint the wells before fitting. 👍 The office is coming along nicely too, The Photo etch looks great. I’ll tag along if you don’t mind, looks like fun. Johnny. 1 1
Fritag Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/4/2023 at 10:51 PM, hendie said: As much as I detest PE On 7/13/2023 at 12:50 PM, Biggles87 said: Etch folding, Aaargh!! Is there an etch-detester club I can join? 22 hours ago, giemme said: Neat PE job, Terry! Ditto. You don’t belong in any etch-detester club, Terry 4
Galligraphics Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 I’ve never really got to grips with brass origami - especially as my usual scale is 1/72. Fingers too big, eyesight too old… 3
Terry1954 Posted July 16, 2023 Author Posted July 16, 2023 Another update. It feels like I'm on a bit of a roll here ............. On 7/13/2023 at 12:50 PM, Biggles87 said: Etch folding, Aaargh!! I couldn’t do that even when my fingers worked properly and I could see what I was doing. It's pretty tricky I agree John, and I'm reliant on some form of magnifier as well as my normal reading glasses! On 7/14/2023 at 12:54 PM, giemme said: Neat PE job, Terry! Thanks Giorgio. I have to confess one or two of the smaller parts went AWOL along with some accompanying expletives On 7/14/2023 at 1:30 PM, bigbadbadge said: Nice job on the seat n pedals, they look rather nice Terry. Thanks Chris. You may have spotted two more folds needed on the "heel" of the rudder pedals, which I have now sorted, see below. On 7/15/2023 at 9:15 AM, The Spadgent said: I didn’t see this until now. Great to watch another build being made for the museum. 😇 I’m with Georgio, deffo paint the wells before fitting. 👍 The office is coming along nicely too, The Photo etch looks great. I’ll tag along if you don’t mind, looks like fun. Thanks Johnny and welcome aboard. Jim gave me two kits when I visited last year, this is the first. The other one is a 1/72 B-17, definitely a next year job! On 7/15/2023 at 11:07 AM, Fritag said: Ditto. You don’t belong in any etch-detester club, Terry Thank you Steve! I'm trying not to belong, although I may not be a fully paid up member of the etch-detester club yet, but there is time ....... 😬 And for an etch-detester, you don't do too bad I'd say. These two little frets still stare longingly at me each day .......... When we next meet, I'll explain my complicated plan for how I intend to try and use these .........🤞 On 7/15/2023 at 12:13 PM, Galligraphics said: I’ve never really got to grips with brass origami - especially as my usual scale is 1/72. Fingers too big, eyesight too old… Brass origami describes it well. I'm also usually a 1/72 builder (where aircraft are concerned) and etch in that scale is a bit of a nightmare! As Ian @Brandy is a tad averse to having sentences starting with "So" ............ Let's see what I did next, so............. Said rudder pedals now with heel folded. Don't know how I missed that Some work on the seat, etched bits for the headrest, which also has the padded bit taken from the kit headrest........ A small plastic insert to help space the headrest from the backplate Front view .... Back view. I'm tempted to run a very small sliver of solder (scary) to hide that join from the fold ......... The completed headrest I also decided to slightly distress the seat cushion using my mini dremel, after which I brushed on some TeT. That was scary too! Next, as well as the etch additions, I've started to detail up the seat back Front (of seat back) ... and back ..... From various online references, I've started to detail the area behind the seat. Eduard give you some etch for the wire cables, but it didn't cut the mustard in my opinion. This evening I began to add the cables/wire work, but run out of time as I'd promised a couple of my offspring a video chat to sort out what we are doing for their youngest siblings birthday next week.🥳 More to do on that but this is the start. The two spare ends should bend down to the two terminal like protrusions on the white plastic card box. I'm using this very useful lead based wire which comes in various cross sections (round, half round, flat) and various diameters. Invaluable for all kinds of scratch work, with more due to go into the cockpit and some of it may well end up in those Aires wheel bays. Test fitting some of the pre-painted etch side wall bits and bobs. This one is a box with knobs on the top, folded from flat etch to give some depth. I may set that even further out from the side wall to add more depth. Next I decided to follow @giemme's approach on the oxygen cable, as the etch part for this was not at all appropriate in my view. You know what they say about imitation and flattery Giorgio! Some copper wire, with some extremely fine fuse wire wrapped around. This one may prove to be too short, so will likely fabricate a second, longer version. I think I should also try and achieve a tighter winding on the fuse wire. Lastly for now, a choice to make. IP with acetate instruments, backed by white paint, fitted over the main panel with bezels...... ..... or etched pre-painted panel, set behind the bezels I went for the first option as I was concerned that dropping clear varnish in to create the glass effect, might ruin the whole look. Came out ok I think? Those bottom right two only look out of line due to the camera angle ............ honest 🤭 And a last shot showing the reflective effect of the acetate.. That's it for now. Much more detail work to do in the cockpit (etched stuff and scratch building), and also some decisions on paint sequence for the cockpit and details. T 22
hendie Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 oooh, a nice array of different techniques going on there Terry. I like the distressed seat cushions and look forward to seeing what that looks like under paint. 1 1
The Spadgent Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Well all that looks lovely. I’m glad you shared the pic of the lead wire. I too use lead but a different brand that has all but vanished. Looks like this stuff is all over the place. 🤩 I couldn’t see a difference between the two ip choices but the one you picked looks dandy so, yay. 🙌 Excellent work. Johnny 1
giemme Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Excellent update, Terry I'm with Alan, loving the array of different techniques on display! For the oxygen pipe, I glued one end with CA and while wrapping the thinner wire around the thicker, I kept pushing back towards the glued end, so as to have a tighter spiral. I then glued the other end, gloss coated, painted, gloss coated again and only then I bent it into shape. Weathering and flat coat were last, HTH Ciao 1 1
AdrianMF Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 Just had a big catch up. Looking good! Regards, Adrian 1
TheBaron Posted July 17, 2023 Posted July 17, 2023 20 hours ago, Terry1954 said: When we next meet, I'll explain my complicated plan for how I intend to try and use these .........🤞 Sincerely hoping it's aircraft-related and nothing to do with nasal hair removal Terry... Jocularity aside, a real pleasure to see such a fine series of etch pieces emerging from your bench, amongst other engrossing processes. Lovely stuff. Most grateful for that info on lead wire too - I didn't know that particular company existed and see some in my future. 1 4
Navy Bird Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Nice work Terry! I really like how the North American logo is depicted on the rudder pedals (at least I think that's what it is). Sweet. Cheers, Bill 1
marvinneko Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 So much to enjoy here... kit coming together nicely and the idea of doing these for a museum, your enthusiasm, and your family too are all such bright bits of energy. Thanks for sharing this. 1
Fritag Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 3:20 PM, giemme said: I'm with Alan, loving the array of different techniques on display! And I’m with Alan and G. Plus extra respect for using a dremel. I’m way to cack-handed to bring a power tool into the same room as any model I’m working on. On 7/16/2023 at 8:55 PM, Terry1954 said: These two little frets still stare longingly at me each day .......... Funny. They’re staring accusingly at me …. 5
Courageous Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Wow, Terry's back building something... Off to a fantastic start and with all that AM stuff it should enhance the pony no end. I promise I won't throw curve balls into your 'cos I know you'll go off on one... vosper. Stuart 3
bigbadbadge Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Nice job on the PE Terry and I like that distressed seat cushion too, great work. Chris 1
Mattp7999 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 On 17/07/2023 at 17:03, TheBaron said: Sincerely hoping it's aircraft-related and nothing to do with nasal hair removal Terry... Jocularity aside, a real pleasure to see such a fine series of etch pieces emerging from your bench, amongst other engrossing processes. Lovely stuff. Most grateful for that info on lead wire too - I didn't know that particular company existed and see some in my future. @Terry1954 Hi Terry hope you don't mind me asking are those 1/48th scale? I'm looking for some of these Miniature Det Cords for my Hobbyboss Hawk which they inconveniently didn't mold or provide decals. I'd love to know where I might be able to get them. Many regards Matt 1
general melchett Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Great progress Terry, coming along nicely, all that lovely PE! Mind you, by insisting on building 1/700th ships for some perverse reason, I'm kind of immune to the stuff now...that and bliddy rigging. Reminds me to crack on with the Mighty Eighth B-26B at some point. Carry on...... 1 1
Terry1954 Posted August 2, 2023 Author Posted August 2, 2023 A quick update, but first........ Edited in ........... Apologies to @hendie, @The Spadgent, @AdrianMF, @giemme and @TheBaron. For some strange reason, my responses and thanks to your original comments seem to have got lost from the start of this update! On 7/19/2023 at 1:18 AM, Navy Bird said: Nice work Terry! I really like how the North American logo is depicted on the rudder pedals (at least I think that's what it is). Sweet. Thank you Bill. That is indeed the logo you can see on the pedals, but what is doubly amazing is that I have the 1/72 Arma Hobby P-51, and in that scale they have also put the North American logo on the pedals. See just above the scalpel blade, used for size illustration ....... And the logo on each pedal on heavy magnify on my phone.... That kit really is one of the best 1/72 P-51's I've yet to see. A quick shot of the fuselage internals, and that's without some of the additional parts ...... This will be a future build to add to my growing P-51 collection, soon I hope. On 7/19/2023 at 4:24 AM, marvinneko said: So much to enjoy here... kit coming together nicely and the idea of doing these for a museum, your enthusiasm, and your family too are all such bright bits of energy. Thanks for sharing this. Thank you David. I do have a lot of enthusiasm for the hobby it's true, but my build rates (very slow) don't seem to align with any energy I have! On 7/19/2023 at 6:42 AM, Fritag said: And I’m with Alan and G. Plus extra respect for using a dremel. I’m way to cack-handed to bring a power tool into the same room as any model I’m working on. Funny. They’re staring accusingly at me …. Thank you Steve. My dremeling fetish started on a very small 1/72 glider fuselage, and as I got lucky with that, what possible harm could I do to a much larger kit .............. but it was still very scary . As for your etch work, it has always looked fine to me, but I know you didn't use these on the Hawk in the end, cos the 3D bug had started to bite big time! On 7/19/2023 at 4:01 PM, Courageous said: Wow, Terry's back building something... Off to a fantastic start and with all that AM stuff it should enhance the pony no end. I promise I won't throw curve balls into your 'cos I know you'll go off on one... vosper. Thanks. Yes I'm building something again but know what happens with my flying starts Stuart................ On 7/19/2023 at 5:44 PM, bigbadbadge said: Nice job on the PE Terry and I like that distressed seat cushion too, great work. Chris Thanks Chris. I wish i'd distressed the seat before placing the side arms. As noted above, dremeling that close is scary! On 7/21/2023 at 2:42 PM, Mattp7999 said: Hi Terry hope you don't mind me asking are those 1/48th scale? I'm looking for some of these Miniature Det Cords for my Hobbyboss Hawk which they inconveniently didn't mold or provide decals. I'd love to know where I might be able to get them. Hi Matt. Sorry for such a delayed reply. The MDC etch is in fact 1/72 and was produced by Steve @Fritag of this parish some time ago during his Hawk build. You can see from the following picture of an EPTS Hawk at the BDAC museum, Steve did a rather good job....... I'm not aware of any 1/48 MDC solutions for the Hawk although I wouldn't have thought it would be too hard to replicate that original picture of the etch above and produce it in 1/48 as a template for a decal ......... maybe. 🤔 Just an idle thought from me, but Steve may have a better suggestion? BTW, if you dig out his Hawk build, I think you will find it extremely helpful (for any scale Hawk build), and thoroughly recommend browsing through it's 188 pages! On 7/21/2023 at 5:57 PM, general melchett said: Great progress Terry, coming along nicely, all that lovely PE! Mind you, by insisting on building 1/700th ships for some perverse reason, I'm kind of immune to the stuff now...that and bliddy rigging. Reminds me to crack on with the Mighty Eighth B-26B at some point. Carry on...... Thanks General! I've not yet had the courage to tackle 1/700 etch but maybe one day these two might get finished (Type 15 and 16 conversions from a Matchbox HMS Kelly which are staring accusingly at me every day!) Looking forward to seeing your B-26B WIP. Not too much progress lately as some gardening (harvesting and repairs) has had to take priority. Managed to get some decent runner beans and a solitary carrot (obvs taken up too early!), and a very good crop of potatoes. And the best is yet to be harvested, hopefully becoming the Premier Cru of Chateau Lillehus ........ But some minor progress on the P-51D nevertheless I took Giorgios advice on winding the fuse wire tighter to create the oxygen hose. Original attempt is at the top (very tardy), second attempt in the middle (much better), but I hadn't allowed enough fuse wire to make the hose a useable length, so a final attempt at bottom, giving me a good length to play with. The completed IP is surrounded by some prepainted etch. I need to plan the paint/placement sequence of these pre painted side bits (there are many more on the fret), particularly anything Eduard finished in the pale green primer The side wall parts (extreme right and left) are a very pale green colour which I think is supposed to be chromate green or yellow, but it will be hard to match, and does look a tad light. For the green interior parts, Tamiya tell you to mix flat yellow, with flat green (can't recall which ratios), giving the shade you can see on the extreme left. In real light, it looks too green and dark for me. The middle colour is AK Extreme US Interior yellow green, and the right hand colour is AK Extreme zinc chromate yellow. I'm thinking of going with the AK Interior Green (possibly lighten a tad further) for the cockpit green areas, but many examples of model builds on the internet show a very distinct zinc chromate yellow used in the wheel well areas (with NMF also). Most colour pics of real internals are of current museum or flying examples, which may or may not be accurate. Any views on that welcome. Whatever I chose, the pre coloured cockpit etch will need carefully repainting to match. Finally, I've added a further bit of detail to the rear cockpit in the form of a braided hose section, which fits between the external filler cap on the fuselage, and runs down into the fuel tank itself. Some cleaning up needed, and a few more bits and pieces to add from scratch. No prizes for spotting it's made from a section of gold braided christmas wrapping chord 🤫 Progress in the next week or so will be pretty slow, as yesterday I had what I hope is the final (3rd one) procedure on my legs to cure an ongoing vein problem. Those that know me and can add up will spot that two legs should equal two ops, but the second op didn't entirely cure the problem, so yesterday I had a number of veins injected with foam (no lasering this time). This means that for the next week or so, sitting down for anything other than short bursts will be a no no, as I have to either keep active or rest horizontally, so modelling will be a challenge! So bear with me, for the next update, as soon as I'm better able. T. 14 1
Graham Boak Posted August 2, 2023 Posted August 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: A quick update, but first........ Thank you Bill. That is indeed the logo you can see on the pedals, but what is doubly amazing is that I have the 1/72 Arma Hobby P-51, and in that scale they have also put the North American logo on the pedals. I used to use that kind of detail to poke fun at the idea of going that far in 1/72. I still think it pretty absurd... but need another example now. Let me think for a moment - does it have the right thickness for the cord for the pilot's microphone? 4
Mattp7999 Posted August 2, 2023 Posted August 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Terry1954 said: A quick update, but first........ Edited in ........... Apologies to @hendie, @The Spadgent, @AdrianMF, @giemme and @TheBaron. For some strange reason, my responses and thanks to your original comments seem to have got lost from the start of this update! Thank you Bill. That is indeed the logo you can see on the pedals, but what is doubly amazing is that I have the 1/72 Arma Hobby P-51, and in that scale they have also put the North American logo on the pedals. See just above the scalpel blade, used for size illustration ....... And the logo on each pedal on heavy magnify on my phone.... That kit really is one of the best 1/72 P-51's I've yet to see. A quick shot of the fuselage internals, and that's without some of the additional parts ...... This will be a future build to add to my growing P-51 collection, soon I hope. Thank you David. I do have a lot of enthusiasm for the hobby it's true, but my build rates (very slow) don't seem to align with any energy I have! Thank you Steve. My dremeling fetish started on a very small 1/72 glider fuselage, and as I got lucky with that, what possible harm could I do to a much larger kit .............. but it was still very scary . As for your etch work, it has always looked fine to me, but I know you didn't use these on the Hawk in the end, cos the 3D bug had started to bite big time! Thanks. Yes I'm building something again but know what happens with my flying starts Stuart................ Thanks Chris. I wish i'd distressed the seat before placing the side arms. As noted above, dremeling that close is scary! Hi Matt. Sorry for such a delayed reply. The MDC etch is in fact 1/72 and was produced by Steve @Fritag of this parish some time ago during his Hawk build. You can see from the following picture of an EPTS Hawk at the BDAC museum, Steve did a rather good job....... I'm not aware of any 1/48 MDC solutions for the Hawk although I wouldn't have thought it would be too hard to replicate that original picture of the etch above and produce it in 1/48 as a template for a decal ......... maybe. 🤔 Just an idle thought from me, but Steve may have a better suggestion? BTW, if you dig out his Hawk build, I think you will find it extremely helpful (for any scale Hawk build), and thoroughly recommend browsing through it's 188 pages! Thanks General! I've not yet had the courage to tackle 1/700 etch but maybe one day these two might get finished (Type 15 and 16 conversions from a Matchbox HMS Kelly which are staring accusingly at me every day!) Looking forward to seeing your B-26B WIP. Not too much progress lately as some gardening (harvesting and repairs) has had to take priority. Managed to get some decent runner beans and a solitary carrot (obvs taken up too early!), and a very good crop of potatoes. And the best is yet to be harvested, hopefully becoming the Premier Cru of Chateau Lillehus ........ But some minor progress on the P-51D nevertheless I took Giorgios advice on winding the fuse wire tighter to create the oxygen hose. Original attempt is at the top (very tardy), second attempt in the middle (much better), but I hadn't allowed enough fuse wire to make the hose a useable length, so a final attempt at bottom, giving me a good length to play with. The completed IP is surrounded by some prepainted etch. I need to plan the paint/placement sequence of these pre painted side bits (there are many more on the fret), particularly anything Eduard finished in the pale green primer The side wall parts (extreme right and left) are a very pale green colour which I think is supposed to be chromate green or yellow, but it will be hard to match, and does look a tad light. For the green interior parts, Tamiya tell you to mix flat yellow, with flat green (can't recall which ratios), giving the shade you can see on the extreme left. In real light, it looks too green and dark for me. The middle colour is AK Extreme US Interior yellow green, and the right hand colour is AK Extreme zinc chromate yellow. I'm thinking of going with the AK Interior Green (possibly lighten a tad further) for the cockpit green areas, but many examples of model builds on the internet show a very distinct zinc chromate yellow used in the wheel well areas (with NMF also). Most colour pics of real internals are of current museum or flying examples, which may or may not be accurate. Any views on that welcome. Whatever I chose, the pre coloured cockpit etch will need carefully repainting to match. Finally, I've added a further bit of detail to the rear cockpit in the form of a braided hose section, which fits between the external filler cap on the fuselage, and runs down into the fuel tank itself. Some cleaning up needed, and a few more bits and pieces to add from scratch. No prizes for spotting it's made from a section of gold braided christmas wrapping chord 🤫 Progress in the next week or so will be pretty slow, as yesterday I had what I hope is the final (3rd one) procedure on my legs to cure an ongoing vein problem. Those that know me and can add up will spot that two legs should equal two ops, but the second op didn't entirely cure the problem, so yesterday I had a number of veins injected with foam (no lasering this time). This means that for the next week or so, sitting down for anything other than short bursts will be a no no, as I have to either keep active or rest horizontally, so modelling will be a challenge! So bear with me, for the next update, as soon as I'm better able. T. Thanks Terry shall have a look at Steve's thread. Many regards Matt 1
marvinneko Posted August 2, 2023 Posted August 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Graham Boak said: I used to use that kind of detail to poke fun at the idea of going that far in 1/72. I still think it pretty absurd... but need another example now. Let me think for a moment - does it have the right thickness for the cord for the pilot's microphone? My wife is a pro 3d modeller. Modellers work on big screens and can get really engrossed in the details. The less experienced ones can forget what actually gets printed is very tiny. This creates some tensions between the people who are perfectionist modellers in their own computer world and people who run project management and print the stuff 😛 3
giemme Posted August 4, 2023 Posted August 4, 2023 I'm glad the oxygen pipe turned out great, Terry Lovely detailing you have added all around, top job As for the interiors color, in my build I used Tamiya Cockpit Green XF71, adding some Tamiya Flat Yellow. I used the same mix to brush paint over the pre-painted PE parts, as their color looked completely different. HTH Ciao 1
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