Bozothenutter Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Who's doing the first kit? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FG2Si Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Tamiya has already announced one. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSG0 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) Saw something related on reddit. Leopard fitted with an ERA.At the time the photo was taken, it looks like the front, with some framework on the turret face? https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/125wxfk/leopard_fitted_with_an_era/?sort=new Seems that there are 1/35 ERA blocks as aftermarket for those that cant wait. Edited March 30 by NoSG0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old pro Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) It’s a photo shop but if you want a what if! There is a similar photoshop of a Challenger 2 fitted with ERA. Edited March 31 by Old pro Added photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 that was quick! http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2023/0314/11242.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) Noting that the great majority of Leopards currently pledged to Ukraine are actually 1A4s and 1A5s. The German-Dutch supply of about 180 Leo 1s outnumbers the Leo 2s more than 3 times over. The large German, Dutch and Belgian surplusses of several hundred Leo 2s have all been sold off already. The decommissioned Spanish ones are largely too far gone to rework, having been left to rot and not stored properly. Norway may be able to pass over its current 2A4s once it gets its new 2A7s but that will be some time hence. Likewise Poland once its M1A1s, M1A2s and K2s have arrived in sufficient numbers to replace its Leo 2s. Ukraine will almost certainly fit its own additional defensive aids, as noted by NoSG0. The Turkish practical experience of Leo 2A4s in Syria has shown them to be vulnerable to Russian munitions. There has been talk of establishing K2 production in Ukraine - in the West of the country, not at vulnerable Kharkiv - or supplying K2s from Polish production. Many other countries have tanks they could supply but are choosing not to get involved. Jordan apparently has about 350 Challenger 1s and 350 Khalids in storage, both still viable against T-72/80/90 and very viable against the T-62 and 55 that Russia is now apparently forced to field. Ammunition for those would, however, be a problem (as it is for CR2) as production has ceased and would need to be re-established. Although Jordan prototyped a new 120mm smoothbore gun turret for CR1 but chose not to proceed. That could be revived and perhaps adapted to the Khalid hull. The CR3 turret might be compatible with the CR1 hull and might perhaps be made compatible with the Khalid hull, which shares automotive components with CR1. Israel has many decommissioned Merkava 1s and 2s, but these may be too far gone to refurbish after years in open storage. But in order not to replicate Russia's mistakes, Ukraine needs large numbers of infantry mobility vehicles to accompany its new tanks. And why are the US Bradleys being supplied without armament? Edited April 19 by Kingsman addition 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 19/04/2023 at 11:39, Kingsman said: And why are the US Bradleys being supplied without armament? Good question, is it just the chain gun or are the missiles not being supplied eother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/19/2023 at 8:39 PM, Kingsman said:And why are the US Bradleys being supplied without armament? They are being supplied with armament. There’s a picture of two in a training environment with the barrels (& maybe the bodies, as well) of the 25mm guns. That is a normal procedure when the gun is not required. It can be fitted in minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan-o Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/19/2023 at 7:48 AM, Bozothenutter said: that was quick! http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2023/0314/11242.html So what’s the difference apart from some different decals to their other A6 kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mippie Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Purely from the box art, nothing, just decals and maybe some hypothetical paint schemes/markings guides? I may have expected the box art to be in the pixel camo at minimum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/19/2023 at 8:39 PM, Kingsman said: And why are the US Bradleys being supplied without armament? Look armed to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in Napier Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Although those nets look b awful, would save on a pixel camo mask job (or most of it!) Who does the best Bradley please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 hours ago, Paul in Napier said: Although those nets look b awful, would save on a pixel camo mask job (or most of it!) Who does the best Bradley please? Don't think their there to look pretty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Mynar Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 There have been unconfirmed reports in the press. About the fact that Leopard 1A5s will also be handed over to Ukraine. Quite a few are stored in warehouses. I assume that they will be fine-tuned in Ukraine, for example by adding reactive Contact-1 armor. This could be an interesting what if project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Confirmed that Germany and The Netherlands are jointly funding the refurbishment and supply of up to 180 1A5. I haven't seen the source of the tanks concerned identified. A Leo 2 has been seen fitted with ERA as per the top photo, and it is logical to assume that this will be applied to all Leo 2s and Leo 1s, which are in greater need of it. I had only seen photos of unarmed Bradleys at the time, but then I hadn't specifically been looking. The pixel cam is a bit too low-contrast to be really useful. The nets are much more useful in breaking up the vehicle outline when moving and can quickly and easily be stretched out on poles or vegetation when static to further break up the shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Mynar Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I will come soon with my what if project, Ukrainian Leopard 1A5. I will use a 1/35 scale Revell kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 How is a Leo 1 better than T-72/64? Not political, just technical please. A lot of fun was being made of russians mobilising old tanks, but isn't this the same? All I read about is UA not using them in direct battle but infantry support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mippie Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 22 minutes ago, Bozothenutter said: How is a Leo 1 better than T-72/64? Not political, just technical please. A lot of fun was being made of russians mobilising old tanks, but isn't this the same? All I read about is UA not using them in direct battle but infantry support. It's not really better. It is probably about equal to early T-72 and T64 models. It is better than T62 and T54/55. Later T72B3 and T80/90 are superior to the Leopard 1a5s, not so much because of equipment but because of armour. The 1a5 is restricted on it's penetration capability because it is using the British L7 105mm Cannon (the same gun on the first m1 tanks which was then replaced by the now standard 120). I think the making fun of Russia is because they supposedly have 10,000 tanks in reserve, thousands of T-72 and T-80s and years to prepare (they knew they were gonna invade)...but we are seeing them delve ever further backwards to find workable tanks. Ukraine on the other hand is having to make do with whatever they are given. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan Mynar Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Here you are model of the Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 built by Dasha. Leopard - 2 největší ukrajinský tank? Model tanku Leopard-2 - YouTube Edited April 25 by Milan Mynar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Milan Mynar said: Here you are model of the Ukrainian Leopard 2A4 built by Dasha. Leopard - 2 největší ukrajinský tank? Model tanku Leopard-2 - YouTube Think you forgot the link.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeR Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Word of warning about the image in the first post: apparently it's a render/photoshop. It appears in this article HERE, dated 31st March. Mike. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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