Tegethoff Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I think I know what you mean. I'm a little uncomfortable these days about modelling the weapons of totalitarian states, though I've made plenty in the past. Exactly. I can't build anything of the Kriegsmarine. It is too close to home and too unforgivable what was done to display any depiction of that state. Even this ship I wrestled with, and doubt I will display when built. Edit: These are just my views - I admire the ships others make, but personally I can't. Edited May 30 by Tegethoff added this was my view. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoran Srb Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 30/05/2023 at 21:42, Tegethoff said: 1)There appear to be relatively large gaps between the hull and the floor - I think this is the first obvious fit issue I've come up against. I'm torn on if I should putty in all the gaps or leave them and hope they are covered. Take a closer look at the photos.... Railings should go over that joint.... And if any joint is still visible, after you glue railings, fill those small gaps with white glue (you might need more than one layer, but it doesn't require sanding, and any mistakes are easily removed with a damp cotton swab), and just touch up paint with a brush... BTW she's progressing just fine, keep it on.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoran Srb Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 30/05/2023 at 23:32, Bertie McBoatface said: I think I know what you mean. I'm a little uncomfortable these days about modelling the weapons of totalitarian states, though I've made plenty in the past. This is an interestingly strange looking thing though and I'm inclined to encourage you, especially as I've just seen some of your fine PE work. It's too late tonight for me to fully catch up now but I'll follow and read the read at leisure. I guess it's individual... I had deaths in my extended family during Nazi occupation during WW2, but I personally don't look at models as representatives of regimes.... They represent war machines, manned by soldiers, who answered the call of their country. By no means do I equalize real fighting men with ideology behind them. Of course, there were some that conducted themselves outside the rules of war, but they were in the minority, and all sides had them. My country lost 1.7 million people in WW2, but that doesn't mean that I won't build Scharnhorst and Bismarck in my stash to join Graf Spee in my cabinet, and I won't even mention 15 IJN ships I have... Besides, if we are to nitpick, there were far fewer Nazis in Krigsmarine, than in any other arm, and for instance, nobody can accuse Hans Langsdorff of being a Nazi. He was an honorable captain who did his job and took care of his men. They were less in a position to do atrocities anyway. On sea, fights are between ships, and not between individual men. Sorry if I ranted, without any wish to offend anybody, those were my two cents on the subject... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 @Zoran Srb My thoughts too. These are just the machines and not the ideologies. In a way these are like our own personal museum pieces, and can be used to teach the history they represent, the good and the bad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 A small update, but one which took a fair bit of time and worry, removing most of the plastic and replacing with PE for the base of the rear superstructure mast. I've done various small bits on the hull which aren't really noticeable (booms etc), and will now prepare the hull for painting. While the major super structure is now almost done (awaiting painting) there are still 5 huge sprues of tiny pieces to fill out the deck... 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 3 minutes ago, Tegethoff said: rear superstructure mast It's as thought the naval architect deliberately set out to make life difficult for fabricators in all scales including 1:1. Nice work Tegethoff! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Bertie McBoatface said: It's as thought the naval architect deliberately set out to make life difficult for fabricators in all scales including 1:1. Nice work Tegethoff! If only someone would make a boat which had almost no external features, then all I could complain about would be the panel lines... Does anyone have (ideally dated) photos of Fuso with walking blocks around the secondary sights of the main guns? the PE kit has them (all 12 barrels having 2 each) but I haven't found a photo of them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 21 hours ago, Tegethoff said: boat Submarines are called boats and have little detail and few panel lines, you didn't mean that... Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 55 minutes ago, Courageous said: Submarines are called boats and have little detail and few panel lines, you didn't mean that... Stuart Ah my English is letting me down. Apologies. But I imagine a Zumwalt would be easier than a Fuso to detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 minutes ago, Tegethoff said: Apologies Not needed, your English is very good. It seems to be a standing joke here that anybody referring a ship as a boat gets jokingly ticked-off . Stuart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Having an interesting bit of research. Each gun barrel has an 8cm mount on top of the base of the gun barrel(for exercises?). As far as I can see there was space for a support/walkway at the base when the 8cm gun was mounted, but was otherwise not used. The best photo of this I can find is this one dated in 1936: I can't find any photos from 1944 showing the mounts or the associated walkway The PE photo etch shows both the mount (part A51), and walkways (A52) being mounted. The photo etch plate shows there are 24 mounts (2 per gun barrel) and 24 walkways, which at least makes sense). I'm tempted to do one mount on top of each gun barrel and leave the walkways. Added the rudders on the hull, and Fujimi have come up with a way of enabling them to move freely. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdtiger1 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Looking good Tegethoff, I don't know for sure, but on Yamato during the fitting out and working up period, there were similar parts mounted to the barrels, this was to do with aligning the barrels. I can't say for sure whether or not its the exact same use on Fuso, but its the only reason I know of for having those parts on the barrels. These would no doubt have been used every time the guns were replaced, maybe they were even left on a couple of times when the ship was urgently needed? Aside from that, "The Battleships Fuso and Yamashiro - Anatomy of The Ship" ISBN 9781472830944, part of the brilliant Anatomy of the ship series comes out in 2 days. I'd imagine that would really help with this problem and others in the future. Hope the helps, James. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Jagdtiger1 said: "The Battleships Fuso and Yamashiro - Anatomy of The Ship" ISBN 9781472830944, part of the brilliant Anatomy of the ship series comes out in 2 days. Gidday, I didn't know that. I've got the book on the Yamato (and Iowa), this one could be worth looking at too, so thanks for mentioning it. Regards, Jeff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, Tegethoff said: Each gun barrel has an 8cm mount on top of the base of the gun barrel(for exercises?) I'd like to see a double - barreled battleship. Do you have photos of those guns? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I'd like to see a double - barreled battleship. Do you have photos of those guns? In The Battleship Fuse by Skulski, it lists them as "8cm (7.62cm)exercise gun with two operating platforms" Best image I can find so far is: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Looking at the short barrels I believe they are what I would call 'blank firing attachments'; not throwing shells but making a bang and some smoke? Fascinating. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Bertie McBoatface said: Looking at the short barrels I believe they are what I would call 'blank firing attachments'; not throwing shells but making a bang and some smoke? Fascinating. Thank you. I wondered if they were some form of calibration tool? What would making a bang and smoke do? Test visibility from the bridge? It doesn't look like they would be the primary cause of concern for any US/UK battleship either way... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 53 minutes ago, Tegethoff said: I wondered if they were some form of calibration tool? What would making a bang and smoke do? Test visibility from the bridge? It doesn't look like they would be the primary cause of concern for any US/UK battleship either way... On some of the military exercises I participated in blank ammunition was used so they the 'enemy' could tell when you were firing at them. In the days of visual rangefinding clouds of smoke would perhaps provide an element of realism for the other ships in the exercise? I don't suppose they would hear the bang though 😀 I know nothing, I'm only speculating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, Bertie McBoatface said: On some of the military exercises I participated in blank ammunition was used so they the 'enemy' could tell when you were firing at them. In the days of visual rangefinding clouds of smoke would perhaps provide an element of realism for the other ships in the exercise? I don't suppose they would hear the bang though 😀 Not meaning to demean the IJN's view of health and safety at work, but I did wonder if they were really firing the 356mm guns given how many people were standing on the roof of the turret. I would have thought that could be a little on the loud... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 7 hours ago, Tegethoff said: I would have thought that could be a little on the loud... Pardon? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 9 hours ago, Tegethoff said: Not meaning to demean the IJN's view of health and safety at work, but I did wonder if they were really firing the 356mm guns given how many people were standing on the roof of the turret. I would have thought that could be a little on the loud... Gidday, I believe that during the Battle of the River Plate HMS Exeter's gunnery officer stood on the roof of 'Y' turret, directing the turret after the forward turrets, director and the transmitting station were knocked out by Graf Spee's gunfire. I guess there's a bit of a difference between the blast of 8-inch guns and 14-inch, but I don't think I'd like to be subject to either. Regards, Jeff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 46 minutes ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday, I believe that during the Battle of the River Plate HMS Exeter's gunnery officer stood on the roof of 'Y' turret, directing the turret after the forward turrets, director and the transmitting station were knocked out by Graf Spee's gunfire. I guess there's a bit of a difference between the blast of 8-inch guns and 14-inch, but I don't think I'd like to be subject to either. Regards, Jeff. Desk jobs become ever more appealing. I hadn't heard that. Thanks for sharing. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 How do you all mask off a straight-line on the hull? Any good tricks I should know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdtiger1 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) Well, the only thing I can think of for a 100% accurate waterline mark would be to use a waterline marker which the wooden ship builder use. Personally, I use short strips of tape about 5cm long and position them on TOP of the waterline, only about 4 or 5 are needed, this ensures that your main masking line won't be completely wonky. After that, either one long strip of tape, or a few decent lengths of tape are stuck BELOW the edge of the strips that were just laid. The process then gets repeated on the other side. Just make sure you use those 5cm on the bow and stern otherwise you will probably get a dip in your waterline marking. Hope that helps and it would be interesting to see how others do it, James. EDIT: maybe I got my tape lines the wrong way round. No wait, if you are painting the hull colour first then the way I originalyl described it is correct. If you're painting the hull colour over the grey then its the other way around... I think... Edited June 9 by Jagdtiger1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 (edited) I've painted the main hull colour first (and the plane deck colour), will then pre-prime with a silver layer and use hull red to make the hull red look a little lighter, hopefully. Thats a good idea James. Thanks. Before I've done it by line of sight but that seems a better way forward. (assuming the hull is flat!) All 6 turrets (front->back) awaiting priming with the 8cm exercise gun mounts added. Edited June 9 by Tegethoff structure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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