Courageous Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Wouldn't like to climb the stairs of that pagoda... Nice, neat work. Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 Might be a silly question, but using an airbrush and getting these odd marks, is it the airbrush not being clean, or dust/debris on the model? No problem as its primer coat so can be removed easily but just want to stop it happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Are you thinning your primer or giving it a good mix up before using it looks like spots of the paint pigment are spitting and maybe clogging up your airbrush as you are using it. 🤔 beefy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 I'm using 50% Mr surfacer 1500 diluted 50% Mr hobby levelling thinner. I thought I had mixed it up enough but maybe not! Using a .35 airbrush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdtiger1 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 I agree with Beefy here, Tegethoff. It certainly looks like some heavy "spitting" has occured. I would suggest getting a big pack of marine grade stainless steel ball bearings and put a couple in each jar, it really helps to shake things up inside followed by a damn good stir of the bottom of the jar followed by another shake. Always works with tamiya and Mr. Hobby paints for me. Also thought you might find this link with coloured photos of Fuso and Yamashiro interesting. I really like the last one showing the deck being holystoned. James. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 That makes some sense James and Beefy, looking back it appears to be only the first thing that I sprayed which had the issue. But haven't used mr surfacer much before. that is a great link - thanks, there are lots of black and white photos but fewer coloured ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoran Srb Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Tegethoff said: Might be a silly question, but using an airbrush and getting these odd marks, is it the airbrush not being clean, or dust/debris on the model? No problem as its primer coat so can be removed easily but just want to stop it happening again. To me, it looks like you have a clogged airbrush, so it sprays off-center, therefore creating a sputter. Also, you might be using too high pressure, which in turn dries droplets in flight... Try diluting it more, and lowering pressure. Of course, try it first on the inside of the parts 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdtiger1 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Forgot to ask in my reply, what pressure are you spraying at? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Jagdtiger1 said: Forgot to ask in my reply, what pressure are you spraying at? I'm using a battery operated compressor, so not 100% sure... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdtiger1 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Wow! Never knew such a thing existed! Do you know the make or serial number or something? I just seems to me that part of the problem with the paint job was the air pressure was too high, as it looks a bit like paint has been "blasted off" after the small dried flecks of paint stuck to the plastic. I know its a terrible explanation, but its the best I can do. Hope it makes a bit of sense, but it is just a theory. James. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 12, 2023 Author Share Posted May 12, 2023 Finally got around to dis-assembling the airbrush to thoroughly clean, turned out the micro O-ring seal was broken, enabling paint to build up in the nozzle area which I'd missed. Now to find a replacement o-ring 😕 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-boat 55 Posted May 12, 2023 Share Posted May 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Tegethoff said: Finally got around to dis-assembling the airbrush to thoroughly clean, turned out the micro O-ring seal was broken, enabling paint to build up in the nozzle area which I'd missed. Now to find a replacement o-ring 😕 That's a bugger, at least you've diagnosed it though, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 Bit of a delay due to real life, but managed to do somethings this weekend. Done two layers of paint on the super structure and assembled all the structural pieces. It was complicated. There are numerous hanging supports which have to be installed at the same time. At one stage I think 8 hanging supports, a central column, two stair cases and two levels needed to be glued/manipulated into place at the same time. Broadly went OK apart from one PE staircase which has quite a slope... It took time but broadly there now I think. Final level of paint to go. Note this is H83 Dark Gray 2 and it looks dark but have started now... I'm fairly sure H17 Cocoa Brown looks too dark for the red hull so might lighten it a bit. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-boat 55 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Now that's what I call a pagoda! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Tura Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, S-boat 55 said: Now that's what I call a pagoda! That takes the words out of my mouth! Did "Fuso" have the highest/thinnest pagoda? It seems to me that it did. I love this build: it's really good but with some error rectification. My favourite! Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Angus Tura said: That takes the words out of my mouth! Did "Fuso" have the highest/thinnest pagoda? It seems to me that it did. It must be. I think Yamato was taller but much wider and the ship was double the weight. The Pagoda alone goes from the bottom of the hull to the top of the conning tower of HMS Hood (i.e. not the crows nest)... Thanks a lot of self inflicted errors to correct 🙂 Edited May 21, 2023 by Tegethoff bad maths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Gidday @Tegethoff, as others have said, that pagoda is an impressive and complex-looking bit of modeling. 8 hours ago, Angus Tura said: Did "Fuso" have the highest/thinnest pagoda? It seems to me that it did. I have in a book a comment that Fuso's pagoda was the first, and hence lacked the refinement of subsequent ship's pagodas. If it wasn't the tallest and thinnest it must have come close. But I stress here, I only have one reference for this comment. Others may have more accurate info. Regardless, the pagodas gave the Japanese ships a unique appearance I think. Top work here. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 6 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday @Tegethoff, as others have said, that pagoda is an impressive and complex-looking bit of modeling. I have in a book a comment that Fuso's pagoda was the first, and hence lacked the refinement of subsequent ship's pagodas. If it wasn't the tallest and thinnest it must have come close. But I stress here, I only have one reference for this comment. Others may have more accurate info. Regardless, the pagodas gave the Japanese ships a unique appearance I think. Top work here. Regards, Jeff. Thanks. I think the layout of the gun turrets also had a big impact. There is very little space to move between Turret 2-3. Also compared to the Kongo, the super structure rises from the deck, while Kongo has a raised deck between the armoured tower and second turret, make the look even more stark. The lack of space due to Turret 3 compared to Kongo/Nagato must also have meant more building up vs being able to add things between the Chimney and the superstructure. Six turrets doesn't leave a whole lot of space! The major modification to make the Pagoda tower was done by mid 1933, so must be one of the earlier(est?) ones. (Nagato 1934-36, Kongo c.1935). I'd like to see someone try the enclosed type Hiei Pagoda on the Kongo's one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, Tegethoff said: The major modification to make the Pagoda tower was done by mid 1933, so must be one of the earlier(est?) ones. (Nagato 1934-36, Kongo c.1935). Gidday again @Tegethoff, will your model have one funnel or two, I'm guessing one. I have a photo of the ship dated 1924 in a book that shows a tall pagoda structure, but with the forward funnel immediately behind it. The photo shows anti-torpedo net booms still carried (These were gone by 1926 I think). Wikipedia shows a photo of Fuso in 1928, tall pagoda (but not as substantial as yours), two funnels but no torpedo net booms. During the mid 1930s the forward funnel was removed. Radar on the range-finder atop the pagoda would suggest to me that your model is mid-late WW2, hence one funnel. And I repeat, top work here. I'd like to do a Kongo or Nagato class sometime too. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 22, 2023 Author Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday again @Tegethoff, will your model have one funnel or two, I'm guessing one. I have a photo of the ship dated 1924 in a book that shows a tall pagoda structure, but with the forward funnel immediately behind it. The photo shows anti-torpedo net booms still carried (These were gone by 1926 I think). Wikipedia shows a photo of Fuso in 1928, tall pagoda (but not as substantial as yours), two funnels but no torpedo net booms. During the mid 1930s the forward funnel was removed. Radar on the range-finder atop the pagoda would suggest to me that your model is mid-late WW2, hence one funnel. And I repeat, top work here. I'd like to do a Kongo or Nagato class sometime too. Regards, Jeff. It's going to be one funnel. The model says its as it was in 1944 until very shortly after the Battle of Surigao Strait began, explaining the radar on the Pagoda and when I get to it all the deck AA guns. I'm not entirely sure being on the deck manning AA guns as the 356mm guns started firing would be conducive to long term hearing, but what do I know... I think the funnel was removed during the renovation completed in mid 1930's: If you note the 1928 image (upper) the Pagoda only goes up, while in the two mid 1933 images (lower two images) you can see the backward-outward facing struts which existed until the ship sank roughly where the funnel used to be, and upon which the larger pagoda shapes were built (and seen in my model above). I don't think Yamashiro had the same 'out-then-in' Pagoda as Fuso and looked cleaner as a result. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Can't believe the height of this thing. Pity the poor soles who had watch stations anywhere up there. Looking very nice by the way. Stuart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 Five of the six turrets in various stages of completion. only the middle two are the same. While a copy of the bottom right is still to be assembled. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tegethoff Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 All six guns finished and PE added (1 ladder lost to the floor hoping to be rediscovered before priming if not will be refashioned from some leftover PE), now to tidy up the hull, add detail before painting. I'm almost certain I'm going to use the wooden deck. Two slight issues: 1)There appear to be relatively large gaps between the hull and the floor - I think this is the first obvious fit issue I've come up against. I'm torn on if I should putty in all the gaps or leave them and hope they are covered. 2) Looking through the photo etch sprue and the 2A4 page instructions I have, I wonder if I am missing a third page, there are so many deck pieces which are not mentioned in the instructions... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bissyboat Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Nice work on the pagoda superstructure. ⚓👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 On 3/21/2023 at 8:00 PM, Tegethoff said: Some mixed feelings about doing an IJN vessel, I think I know what you mean. I'm a little uncomfortable these days about modelling the weapons of totalitarian states, though I've made plenty in the past. This is an interestingly strange looking thing though and I'm inclined to encourage you, especially as I've just seen some of your fine PE work. It's too late tonight for me to fully catch up now but I'll follow and read the read at leisure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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