Andrew Patmore Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Hi, I have been lucky enough to have been lent a photo album which will be of interest if I am allowed to post. (Later!) In the meantime, can anyone tell me what this ship is? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dv0L2emHp5HmpgJJ5_RzIeG4sdoBNSaR/view?usp=share_link Photo album started on Benbow in the Med and went onto Hermes in China Station. This photo at start of album so probably early to mid 1920s. Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PF Naughton Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Hi, She looks similar to this picture of HMS Invincible from Wikipedia. Regards Pat HMS Invincible, Battle of the Falkland Islands (Warships To-day, 1936) - Invincible-class battlecruiser - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invincible-class_battlecruiser#/media/File:HMS_Invincible,_Battle_of_the_Falkland_Islands_(Warships_To-day,_1936).jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 Hi 42 minutes ago, PF Naughton said: She looks similar to this picture of HMS Invincible from Wikipedia. It does not look similar - it is exactly the same picture! Here is a scan of the print with a higher resolution. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vVFBVCRJlcsp6DhQuGB6H3mEcaRZ4dFK/view?usp=share_link (4 megs) It is the first picture in the album. I wonder if his father was on that ship when it went down. I am off to ask the owner. Many thanks PFN!🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, PF Naughton said: She looks similar to this picture of HMS Invincible from Wikipedia. Gidday, I thought it was HMS Inflexible, in pursuit of Von Spee's squadron off the Falklands, 8th December 1914. I thought the photo was taken from HMS Invincible, a sister-ship. I can't tell the difference between the two ships myself, though. But I think it's fair to say it's one of them. HTH. Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Gidday, further to the above, I've just found a slightly clearer photo of those linked to above. I still can't make out the flags at the extreme mast-heads but if one is a Vice-Admiral's flag then it could be HMS Invincible after all, as she was the flagship at the Falklands. (If in fact this was where the photo was taken). HTH. Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Ned Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) Of the three ships in the class, Inflexible's forefunnel was rasied in 1911, Indomitables's in 1910 and Invincible's in 1915. Together with the anti-rangefinder spirals on the topmasts, which were fitted to Invicible during the Falklands period, this indicates that the photo shows Invincible. Edited March 8, 2023 by Our Ned Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Our Ned said: Together with the anti-rangefinder spirals on the topmasts, which were fityted to Invicible during the Falklands period, this indicates that the photo shows Invincible. Gidday Ned, that's pretty conclusive. Many thanks. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Our Ned said: this indicates that the photo shows Invincible. Thank you Our Ned. And Arnold. 🙂 I have not heard back from the owner yet, which makes me think that this is all news to him. Isnt it odd how war resonates down the generations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 It was news to him, he has gone off to “ask some questions of his aunties”. Attached are three more extracts from a picture of Naval units passing Constantinople around the time of the Chanak crisis of 1922. Or at least that is the family tradition. Number 1 shows what I think is a light cruiser followed by three heavy Hawkins class cruisers. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ta3v-E1EFsxc9r2ZUtGiGuZhBhGZ7D3f/view?usp=share_link Number 2 shows another light cruiser and what I would ignorantly call a dreadnaughty type thing. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j3rl5a1ZRN_tYebqoB9woGm-MSscJO5E/view?usp=share_link Number 3 shows some ships moored at right angles to shore. First one is a (nice looking) destroyer, but the rest look to be commercial or maybe support. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VE294vQmkrJZ0sTzWRy8qO-VHW7SBlJt/view?usp=share_link I know a bit about aeroplanes but am a numpty when it comes to ships, so any pointers would be appreciated. Would Chanak fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Gidday @Andrew Patmore, in that first photo the three large warships look more like RN battleships to me. In the second photo the first (left) ship certainly looks like a RN cruiser, I'm wondering if the other in the foreground is an Italian Vittorio Emanuele class pre-dreadnought battleship. In the third photo that destroyer is American, known as a 'flush decker' or 'four stacker', sometime a 'four piper'. HTH. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) The three large ships in the first image look like RN battleships. I'd say likely Iron Dukes or just maybe KGV class- members of both were in the Med at around that time. The 'commercial' ships behind the American destroyer could actually be naval cutters/ dispatch vessels. In this period these smaller ships tended to have a yacht-like appearance. Will Edited March 9, 2023 by Killingholme 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 10 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: I'm wondering if the other in the foreground is an Italian Vittorio Emanuele class pre-dreadnought battleship. Yes, definitely a member of the Regina Elena class. (Incidentally, an outrageously good looking design in my view!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 Thank you, Gentlemen. Quite the international affair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Andrew Patmore said: Thank you, Gentlemen. Quite the international affair! Not surprising really. At one point the Chanak crisis was looking like the summer of 1914 all over again. The UK conservative 'hawks' were clamouring for a war- claiming nothing less than a Turkish/Soviet takeover of the whole near east was on the cards. As it turned out cautious anti-war voices in Italy and France prevailed, and for the first time the Commonwealth nations made it clear to Westminster that their support would not be forthcoming- which was a significant historic moment in its own right. In the UK the fallout from the blundered crisis ultimately contributed to Lloyd-George's collapse and for Churchill (his partner in crime) it was yet another example of the numerous strategic miscalculations he made that had the potential to (and in many cases actually did) result in military catastrophes. Of course most of these are largely forgotten in popular history! Will Edited March 9, 2023 by Killingholme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 On 07/03/2023 at 20:48, Andrew Patmore said: I have been lucky enough to have been lent a photo album which will be of interest @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies @foeth @iang maybe will find this of interest? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 There are some really good photos of ships, some close up and clear. I am going through and scanning at 1200ppi the best examples. The photos that rock my boat (pun intended) are some shots of Fairey Flycatchers and FIIID/Fs. I need to discuss with the owner before plastering these on the internet, though that is certainly the goal. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 Proto web page can be found at https://sites.google.com/view/historicalmodelling/lt-richard-barrett-rn-403-fleet-fighter-flight-faa Probably the more significant pics are of the flycather. Comments welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Andrew Patmore said: Proto web page can be found at https://sites.google.com/view/historicalmodelling/lt-richard-barrett-rn-403-fleet-fighter-flight-faa Gidday, I was interested in the second photo of the page, and in particular the caption. It states that it was HMS Invincible at the Falkland Islands in November 1914, and that she was sunk there. But the battle was fought in December 1914 (a minor point), and HMS Invincible certainly survived it. She was sunk at Jutland in 1916. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Patmore Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 Thanks Jeff. Have amended the wording. If you see any other errors, just shout. That page is a work in progress in any case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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