Casey Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) I've measured Army Painter Warpaints and found some surprising accidental matches. Here is the list: MSG and EDSG are not the best but DSG is very close, Middle Stone and Dark Slate Grey are not far off either. Target: RAF07 - Medium Sea Grey | GU 3.0, RGB: #889098 (L*=59.60, a=-1.97, b=-5.01) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 2.73 - #8A8F92 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1117 | Ash Grey | GU 1.4 (L*=59.05, a=-1.22, b=-2.03) Target: RAF08 - Dark Sea Grey | GU 3.5, RGB: #6A7078 (L*=47.08, a=-0.75, b=-5.23) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 0.45 - #696F77 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1118 | Uniform Grey | GU 1.6 (L*=46.72, a=-0.94, b=-5.38) Target: RAF09 - Extra Dark Sea Grey | GU 4.4, RGB: #5C626A (L*=41.40, a=-0.76, b=-5.06) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 2.52 - #63686E - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1418 | Dungeon Grey | GU 1.1 (L*=43.95, a=-0.71, b=-3.90) Target: RAF12 - Dark Slate Grey | GU 4.2, RGB: #676960 (L*=43.76, a=-1.34, b=4.17) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 1.48 - #6A6C62 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1481 | Field Grey | GU 2.3 (L*=44.83, a=-1.92, b=5.18) Target: RAF15 - Deep Sky | GU 4.8, RGB: #385379 (L*=36.04, a=-2.70, b=-22.79) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 0.78 - #34537B - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1116 | Deep Blue | GU 4.3 (L*=35.86, a=-2.93, b=-24.38) Target: RAF19 - Dark Mediterranean Blue | GU 2.7, RGB: #415373 (L*=36.05, a=-1.06, b=-19.18) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 2.51 - #34537B - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1116 | Deep Blue | GU 4.3 (L*=35.86, a=-2.93, b=-24.38) Target: RAF21 - Middle Stone | GU 3.1, RGB: #A6864C (L*=56.71, a=8.21, b=34.64) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 1.71 - #A68744 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1431 | Hemp Rope | GU 3 (L*=56.80, a=7.86, b=38.69) Target: RAF22 - Night | GU 2.2, RGB: #3A3C3D (L*=25.10, a=-0.20, b=-1.08) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 1.42 - #3A3939 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1101 | Matt Black | GU 0.7 (L*=24.18, a=0.09, b=0.13) Target: RAF26 - Aluminium | GU 58.9 | Metallic, RGB: #CECED0 (L*=82.90, a=-0.01, b=-0.91) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 2.05 - #D6D7D9 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1129 | Shining Silver | GU 28.6 | Metallic (L*=85.95, a=0.07, b=-1.25) Target: RAF29 - Semi Matt Black | GU 5.0, RGB: #3B3C3D (L*=25.22, a=-0.20, b=-0.77) Colors in: Army Painter Warpaints (compared with 104 paints) DE00: 1.24 - #3A3939 - Army Painter Warpaints - WP1101 | Matt Black | GU 0.7 (L*=24.18, a=0.09, b=0.13) Full compiled and updated list is in this post from this same thread: Edited March 8, 2023 by Casey 3 2
PhantomBigStu Posted March 8, 2023 Author Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) Thanks for the top work Casey, definitely be getting some Army Painter Uniform Grey next time I visit my local hobby shop Edited March 8, 2023 by PhantomBigStu
Casey Posted March 8, 2023 Posted March 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, PhantomBigStu said: Thanks for the top work Casey, definitely be getting some Army Painter Uniform Grey next time I visit my local hobby shop My bottles are from 2021, it could be worth checking if they are any color variations between years/batches, but they also make the same color as spray can that is supposed to be 100% match, so this might be a pretty stable color recipe for them. 2
PhantomBigStu Posted March 9, 2023 Author Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) Going after lunch so will see how it checks out edit: sold out, got myself another pot of Humbrol 165, happy using that for MSG, having done a ocuple of builds using that and mission models which is near identical, though dunno what I'm going to use the rest of the Xtrarcylix on..... Edited March 9, 2023 by PhantomBigStu
Casey Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) I've measured more Vallejo paints, including most of Vallejo FAA (Fleet AIR ARM) Colors 1939-1945 'Air War Color Series' Model Paint Kit. I've found only one good match. Target: RAF13 - Sky Grey | GU 3.0, RGB: #A5A9AA (L*=69.08, a=-1.21, b=-0.68) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 134 paints) DE00: 0.59 - #A6A9A9 - Vallejo - 71.407 | Sky Grey | Gris Cielo | FS36463 | GU 3.8 (L*=68.97, a=-0.81, b=-0.50) I've checked the following: 71.074 | Beige | Beige | FS33695 | GU 2.7 71.077 | Wood | Madera | GU 1.7 71.079 | Tan Earth | Tierra | GU 2.4 71.081 | Ochre | Ocre | GU 2.1 71.082 | Fluorescent Red | Rojo Fluorescente | FS38903 | RAL2005 | GU 2.5 | Fluorescent | Opacity 32.63% 71.083 | Orange | Naranja | GU 2.5 | Opacity 64.68% 71.302 | Sky Type S | Verde Cielo | BS210 | GU 2.5 71.309 | Dark Slate Grey | Gris Pizarra Oscuro | FS34096 | BS634 | GU 1.9 71.405 | BS Dark Sea Grey | BS Gris Mar Osc. | GU 1.3 71.406 | Light Slate Grey | Gris Pizarra Claro | GU 1.5 71.407 | Sky Grey | Gris Cielo | FS36463 | GU 3.8 I am adding paints one by one, even if Fluorescent Red and Orange had no chance to be on the list, I added them to show how I am measuring not-opaque paints. The note "Opacity X%" means the paint is only X% opaque on a 10mil wet film thickness layer (it is really thick, 254 microns). If this note appears, it means the paint is a form of filter and needs to be applied on a proper background. In the case of Fluorescent or Orange, it should be white. I saw Aotake paints in the Vallejo list, which will also be transparent. Edited March 29, 2023 by Casey 3 3
Casey Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) I've measured the next batch of 22 Vallejo paints: 71.073 | Black | Negro | GU 14.6 | Metallic 71.085 | Ferrari Red | Rojo Ferrari | GU 2.9 | Opacity 95.6% 71.086 | Light Red | Rojo Claro | GU 3.2 | Opacity 68.56% 71.087 | Steel Blue | Azul Acero | RAL5013 | GU 2.3 71.088 | French Blue | Azul Francés | GU 3.0 71.089 | Light Sea Blue | Azul Mar Claro | GU 3.5 71.093 | Nato Green | Verde Otan | FS34094 | GU 2.0 71.094 | Green Zinc Chromate | Verde Zinc | GU 2.0 71.095 | Pale Green | Verde Pálido | RAL6011 | GU 2.4 71.096 | Olive Grey | Verde Oliva Grisáceo | GU 4.6 71.102 | Red | Rojo | GU 3.6 | Opacity 91.71% 71.105 | Brown RLM26 | RLM26 Braun | RLM26 | GU 2.6 71.106 | Ivory RLM05 | RLM05 Elfenbein | GU 6.3 71.110 | Dark Grey | Gris Oscuro | BS640 | GU 3.7 71.112 | Sand | Arena | GU 3.5 71.113 | IDF Blue | Azul IDF | FS35177 | GU 2.4 71.114 | Medium Gray | Gris Medio | FS35237 | GU 4.2 71.120 | Dark Ghost Gray | Gris Oscuro USAF | FS36320 | GU 5.9 71.122 | US Desert Armour 686 | US Camuflaje Moderno 686 | FS33446 | ANA620 | GU 8.0 71.123 | Dark Grey RLM42 | RLM42 Dunkelgrau | RLM42 | GU 3.2 71.126 | IDF/IAF Green | Verde IDF/IAF | FS34227 | BS283 | GU 4.1 71.128 | Gris Violeta | Gray Violet | FS36134 | GU 4.0 Found the following potential matches: Target: RAF06 - Grey Green | GU 3.2, RGB: #738971 (L*=54.38, a=-9.96, b=10.13) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 156 paints) DE00: 2.68 - #72826B - Vallejo - 71.126 | IDF/IAF Green | Verde IDF/IAF | FS34227 | BS283 | GU 4.1 (L*=52.20, a=-8.20, b=10.23) Target: RAF12 - Dark Slate Grey | GU 4.2, RGB: #676960 (L*=43.76, a=-1.34, b=4.17) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 156 paints) DE00: 2.46 - #62635E - Vallejo - 71.128 | Gris Violeta | Gray Violet | FS36134 | GU 4.0 (L*=41.67, a=-0.99, b=2.44) As always, I've updated this post with full current list: Edited March 30, 2023 by Casey 1 2
Casey Posted April 2, 2023 Posted April 2, 2023 I've measured another 48 Vallejo Air: 71.129 | Light Rust | Óxido Claro | GU 3.2 71.130 | Orange Rust | Óxido Aanaranjado | RAL2010 | GU 4.5 71.131 | Concrete | Cemento | GU 3.4 71.132 | Aged White | Blanco Envejecido | FS37769 | RAL1015 | GU 4.9 71.133 | Suciedad | Dirt | GU 6.0 71.134 | IJA Midouri Green | IJA Verde Midouri | GU 5.3 71.135 | IJA Chrome Yellow | IJA Amarillo Cromado | FS33655 | RAL1003 | GU 3.4 | Opacity 67.5% 71.136 | IJA Earth Brown | IJA Marrón Tierra | GU 1.9 71.138 | US Sand | US Arena | FS30277 | GU 3.2 71.141 | IDF Sand Grey 73 | IDF Gris Arena 73 | GU 4.0 71.142 | IDF Sinai Grey 82 | IDF Gris Sinai 82 | GU 3.6 71.143 | UK Light Stone | UK Piedra Clara | BS361 | GU 3.9 71.244 | Sand Beige | Sandbeige | RAL1039 | GU 1.8 71.245 | Loam Beige | Lehmbeige | RAL1040 | GU 3.9 71.246 | Yellow Brown | Sandbraun | RAL8031 | GU 4.3 71.247 | Light Olive | Helloliv | RAL6040 | GU 4.2 71.248 | Brown Grey | Gris Marrón | RAL7050 | GU 5.6 71.249 | Nato Brown | Lederbraun | FS30051 | RAL8027 | GU 1.9 71.250 | Bronze Green | Bronzegrün | RAL6031 | GU 2.3 71.251 | Nato Black | Teerschwarz | FS37030 | RAL9021 | GU 0.4 71.265 | Olive Green RLM80 | RLM80 Olivgrün | RLM80 | GU 2.9 71.266 | Dark Blue RLM24 | RLM24 Dunkelblau | RLM24 | GU 4.9 71.267 | Light Green RLM25 | RLM25 Hellgrün | RLM25 | GU 4.7 71.269 | Red | RAL3000 Rot | RAL3000 | GU 5.3 71.273 | Ocean Gray | Gris Oceano | FS36176 | BS629 | GU 3.9 71.274 | Aggressor Gray | Gris Aggressor | FS36251 | GU 4.7 71.275 | USAF Medium Gray | USAF Gris Medio | FS36270 | GU 5.5 71.276 | USAF Light Gray | Gris Claro | FS36495 | GU 6.2 71.280 | Camouflage Gray | Gris Camuflaje | FS36170 | GU 5.0 71.281 | 3B Russian Green | 3B Verde Ruso | GU 6.7 71.282 | 6K Russian Brown | 6K Marrón Ruso | GU 5.5 71.283 | 7K Russian Tan | 7K Tierra Rusa | GU 8.6 71.284 | Uk Light Mud | Uk Marrón Claro | GU 9.3 71.285 | IJA Dark Green | IJA Verde Oscuro | GU 10.3 71.286 | IJA Olive Green | IJA Verde Oliva | GU 6.9 71.287 | IJA Khaki Brown | IJA Marrón Caqui | GU 4.7 71.288 | UK BSC 64 Portland Stone | UK BSC 64 Piedra Portland | GU 9.9 71.289 | US Dark Green | US Verde Oscuro | FS34102 | GU 4.4 71.290 | US Earth Brown | US Tierra Marrón | FS30099 | GU 5.1 71.291 | US Earth Yellow | US Tierra Amarilla | FS30257 | GU 4.6 71.292 | US Loam | US Marrón Barro | FS34086 | GU 7.6 71.293 | US Earth Red | US Tierra Roja | FS30117 | GU 6.8 71.297 | JGSD Brown 3606 | JGSD Marrón 3606 | GU 6.4 71.301 | Amt-4 Camouflage Green | Amt-4 Camuflaje Verde | GU 5.8 71.303 | A-24M Camouflage Green | A-24M Verde Camuflaje | GU 7.1 71.304 | Amt-11 Blue Grey | Amt-11 Azul Grisáceo | GU 6.7 71.305 | Interior Grey Green | Interior Gris Verde | FS34373 | GU 3.7 71.307 | BS Medium Sea Grey | BS Gris Mar Medio | BS637 | GU 5.3 Found those (updated or new) potential matches: Target: RAF02 - Dark Earth | GU 3.3, RGB: #77634D (L*=42.79, a=6.21, b=14.76) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 204 paints) DE00: 1.56 - #7C644C - Vallejo - 71.136 | IJA Earth Brown | IJA Marrón Tierra | GU 1.9 (L*=43.67, a=7.33, b=16.55) Target: RAF08 - Dark Sea Grey | GU 3.5, RGB: #6A7078 (L*=47.08, a=-0.75, b=-5.23) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 204 paints) DE00: 2.42 - #646E78 - Vallejo - 71.273 | Ocean Gray | Gris Oceano | FS36176 | BS629 | GU 3.9 (L*=46.27, a=-2.43, b=-6.41) Target: RAF15 - Deep Sky | GU 4.8, RGB: #385379 (L*=36.04, a=-2.70, b=-22.79) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 204 paints) DE00: 1.38 - #355375 - Vallejo - 71.266 | Dark Blue RLM24 | RLM24 Dunkelblau | RLM24 | GU 4.9 (L*=35.36, a=-3.98, b=-21.20) Target: RAF19 - Dark Mediterranean Blue | GU 2.7, RGB: #415373 (L*=36.05, a=-1.06, b=-19.18) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 204 paints) DE00: 2.57 - #355375 - Vallejo - 71.266 | Dark Blue RLM24 | RLM24 Dunkelblau | RLM24 | GU 4.9 (L*=35.36, a=-3.98, b=-21.20) Target: RAF27 - Matt Red | GU 2.8, RGB: #A5353B (L*=38.79, a=42.87, b=21.06) Colors in: Vallejo (compared with 204 paints) DE00: 1.47 - #A33B3B - Vallejo - 71.269 | Red | RAL3000 Rot | RAL3000 | GU 5.3 (L*=39.28, a=40.17, b=21.90) I keep the full updated list in the usual place. Maybe I should move it to a separate thread? 1 1
Casey Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) What a long, strange trip it had been. I've finally measured almost all Vallejo Air's. (except 71.400 UK Desert Pink and 71.320 Amt-1 Light Greyish Brown) Paints measured: 71.315 | Tire Black | Negro Caucho | GU 1.2 71.317 | AII SV. Gol Light Blue | AII SV. Gol Azul Claro | GU 3.2 71.318 | Amt-7 Greyish Blue | Amt-7 Azul Grisáceo | GU 1.7 71.319 | A-28M Greyish Blue | A-28M Azul Grisáceo | GU 2.8 71.321 | Sky Green | IJA Light Grey Green | FS34424 | ANA610 | GU 2.4 71.322 | IJN Black Green | IJN Verde Negro | GU 1.3 71.323 | BS Dark Earth | BS Tierra Oscura | BS450 | GU 1.6 71.324 | BS Dark Green | BS Verde Oscuro | BS241 | GU 1.7 71.325 | IJN Dark Black Green | IJN Verde Negro Oscuro | GU 2.4 71.326 | IJA Grey Green | IJA Gris Verdoso | GU 7.2 71.327 | IAF Sand | Arena IAF | FS33531 | GU 1.7 71.328 | Light Blue | Azul Claro | FS35622 | GU 2.6 71.329 | Green | Verde | FS34159 | GU 5.0 71.330 | Khaki Green Num. 3 | Verde Caqui Nº3 | GU 2.1 71.331 | Cockpit Eme. Green “Faded” | Verde Interior Cabina | GU 1.6 71.332 | Underside Blue “Faded” | Azul Desgastado | FS35450 | GU 2.3 71.333 | Russian AF Blue | Azul AF Ruso | GU 2.0 71.334 | Flanker Light Blue | Azul Claro Flanker | GU 2.9 71.335 | Flanker Light Gray | Gris Claro Flanker | GU 3.8 71.336 | A-14 Steel Grey | A-14 Gris Acero | GU 1.7 71.337 | Flanker Blue | Azul Flanker | GU 3.0 71.338 | Russian AF Grey Blue | Gris Azul AF Ruso | GU 2.7 71.339 | Russian AF Grey N.3 | Gris N.3 AF Ruso | FS36373 | GU 2.3 71.340 | Grey Green | Gris Verdoso | GU 1.8 71.341 | Green Grey | Verde Grisáceo | GU 1.8 71.342 | Russian AF Light Blue | Azul Claro AF Ruso | GU 2.6 71.343 | Russian AF Grey N.7 | Gris N.7 AF Ruso | GU 1.9 71.344 | Russian AF Grey Prot. Coat | Gris AF Ruso | GU 2.8 71.345 | Russian AF Grey N.8 | Gris N.8 AF Ruso | GU 2.3 71.346 | Russian AF Grey N.4 | Gris N.4 AF Ruso | GU 2.5 71.347 | Russian AF Dark Green | Verde Oscuro AF Ruso | GU 1.4 71.348 | USAF Tan | USAF Marrón Arena | FS20400 | GU 2.0 71.401 | Uk Bsc 28 Sil. Grey | Uk Bsc28 Gris Plata | GU 1.8 71.402 | Uk Bsc 49 L. Purple Br. | Uj Bsc49 Mr. Purpura | GU 2.5 71.403 | Light Green | Verde Claro | GU 2.0 71.404 | No. 1 "Duck Egg Blue" | Azul Huevo De Pato | GU 1.8 71.408 | PRU Pink | PRU Rosa | GU 3.7 71.409 | Zaschchitnyi Khaki | Verde Zaschcitnyi | GU 1.3 71.410 | AII Zashchitnyi Cam. Green | AII Verde Zaschitnyi | GU 1.2 71.411 | A-19F Grass Green | A-19F Verde Hierba | GU 1.5 71.412 | VVS Grey Blue | VVS Gris Azulado | GU 7.4 71.413 | A-18F Light Blue | A-18F Azul Claro | GU 8.8 71.414 | AEH-9 Light Grey | AEH-9 Gris Claro | GU 2.7 71.415 | A-21 Light Greyish Br. | A-21 Mr. Gris. Claro | GU 1.7 71.416 | IJA Dark Beige | IJA Beige Oscuro | GU 1.3 71.417 | "Aotake" Trans. Green | "Aotake" Verde Trans | GU 31.2 | Opacity 56.37% 71.418 | IJN Medium Brown | IJN Maroon Medio | GU 1.3 71.419 | "Aotake" Trans. Blue | "Aotake" Azul Trans. | GU 17.3 | Opacity 87.81% Found matches: Target: RAF02 - Dark Earth | GU 3.3 Matches in: Vallejo (compared with 260 samples) DE00: 1.25 - Vallejo - 71.323 | BS Dark Earth | BS Tierra Oscura | BS450 | GU 1.6 Target: RAF13 - Sky Grey | GU 3.0 Matches in: Vallejo (compared with 260 samples) DE00: 0.59 - Vallejo - 71.407 | Sky Grey | Gris Cielo | FS36463 | GU 3.8 I've updated the overall list again at: Once I am finished with Vallejo Air, I'll put it on a separate thread, just in case any admin would like to make it a sticky Now the question is: what should I paint now with those 260+ extra bottles of Vallejo I got?... Edited April 19, 2023 by Casey 1 3
Mr_Sworld Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 Excellent research as always @Casey. If you can match RAF 16, 17 and 18 you get the full Numberwang! 😆
Casey Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr_Sworld said: If you can match RAF 16, 17 and 18 you get the full Numberwang! I need to get this mythical new Humbrol dropper bottle for at least Azure Blue. Other blues, I have mixes for - Tamiya and Golden Fluid.
Mr_Sworld Posted April 19, 2023 Posted April 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Casey said: I need to get this mythical new Humbrol dropper bottle for at least Azure Blue. Other blues, I have mixes for - Tamiya and Golden Fluid. As you are a scientist/engineer after my own heart I shall wait for the lab results.
PhantomBigStu Posted June 8, 2023 Author Posted June 8, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 10:29 PM, Casey said: I need to get this mythical new Humbrol dropper bottle for at least Azure Blue. Other blues, I have mixes for - Tamiya and Golden Fluid. I've since got a pot and mines come out what appears to the eye too purple. As rather than continue the nonexistent discussion in this thread as its a BSC colour, say here, quite tricky colour as its browner/greyer than regular dark green but greener than olive drab Colour is 285 Nato Green, tricky as photos show is as darker than the swatchs or show a lighte much faded aircraft/ Thinking either Xtracrlyix ANA613 (though if my memory serves it was a greener than usual pot) or one of the two migammo colours and my eye can't detect which is closer
Casey Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: I've since got a pot and mines come out what appears to the eye too purple. How mine went, you can see on some other forums... it was Humbrol Disaster. NATO green, I have this: Target: BS285 Nato Green Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 170 samples) DE00: 0.92 - AB0253 | No 253 | RLM 83 Dunkelgrun - Matt | GU 0.8 Matches in: Lifecolor (compared with 12 samples) DE00: 1.38 - UA 502 | RLM 71 - Dunkelgrün | GU 11.3 Matches in: Revell (compared with 86 samples) DE00: 1.60 - 36142 | Yellowish olive | GU 1.8 Matches in: Vallejo Air (compared with 254 samples) DE00: 2.19 - 71.294 | US Forest Green | US Verde Bosque | FS34079 | ANA631 | GU 3.1 Matches in: Hataka (compared with 10 samples) DE00: 2.20 - HTK-A016 | Dark Green | GU 9.6 Matches in: Tamiya (compared with 40 samples) (I do not have all TAMIYA measured, so I did not have chance to measure their dedicated NATO green yet, this is the closest I found so far) DE00: 2.20 - XF-51 | Khaki Drab | GU 4.9 Edited June 8, 2023 by Casey 2
PhantomBigStu Posted June 8, 2023 Author Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) I shall order some Humbrol 253, see how the dropper version looks, clearly I was looking at paints that were way too brown. and hadn't even considered it Thanks Again Casey edit: didn't have the dropper version, but the same old style ones you tested, I concor it looks good for Nato Green, also picked up Humbrol drooper 86 to see how it looks for BS298 and it passes the eye test with my sample, hopefully the dropper 253 isn't too diferent but as its for a large future build (RAF C-130J) I may buy all the AB253's left just to be sure Edited June 9, 2023 by PhantomBigStu
PhantomBigStu Posted June 15, 2023 Author Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) On 6/8/2023 at 6:16 PM, PhantomBigStu said: I shall order some Humbrol 253, see how the dropper version looks, clearly I was looking at paints that were way too brown. and hadn't even considered it Thanks Again Casey edit: didn't have the dropper version, but the same old style ones you tested, I concor it looks good for Nato Green, also picked up Humbrol drooper 86 to see how it looks for BS298 and it passes the eye test with my sample, hopefully the dropper 253 isn't too diferent but as its for a large future build (RAF C-130J) I may buy all the AB253's left just to be sure Got the dropper version and its different being darker/greener, which on the one hand is bad as it means will be limited to just how much old 253 my local has and on the other excellent as its perfect for the darker areas on a C130 I'm going to do that are covered by neoprane protective tape. Edited June 15, 2023 by PhantomBigStu
Casey Posted June 15, 2023 Posted June 15, 2023 I'll check the dropper 253 soon, I think I have it in my "Paints to do" stash. 1
PhantomBigStu Posted June 15, 2023 Author Posted June 15, 2023 51 minutes ago, Casey said: I'll check the dropper 253 soon, I think I have it in my "Paints to do" stash. No rush on my account, as I said I've got it (bottom centre) and its clearly not suitable for standard Nato Green unlike the older formula (top center)
Casey Posted June 15, 2023 Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: No rush on my account, as I said I've got it (bottom centre) and its clearly not suitable for standard Nato Green unlike the older formula (top center) I did it more as a challenge. Here is how it went: It is dead, Jim Mixed with rather aggressive thinner And tried to make a drawdown It is broken, of course, but I hope I'll at least measure the color... I suspect this paint had been frozen in transport and storage. Edited June 15, 2023 by Casey 2 1 4
sapperastro Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) I was going to suggest that paint looks to have been frozen. I number of hobby acrylics get affected this way. Not acceptable in any case. Casey, it seems from looking at your charts (wonderful work by the way), that Humbrol 253 (when it isn't frozen), appears to be a close match for; RAF Dark Green and NATO green. It is also the closest "out of the bottle" Humbrol colour for SCC15, the British late war olive drab for their army vehicles and tanks. Coincidence? Or have we stumbled across an all too human "we have plenty of this stuff, looks good enough, slap her on"? Just out of curiosity, is H253 a good match for the RLM it is purported to be? (I wouldn't be surprised at this point, after seeing all the debacles with colour, that it isn't haha). Edit from a user on here a few years back; Quote I just held my swatch of Mike's (Starmer) vallejo scc15 mix next to the raf museum vol 3 dark green paint swatch. It is the closest of all my non intended mixes. Just a bit too yellow. Some more 888 might do the trick. Work in progress Mike Starmer is one of the most experienced colour matchers for British/Commonwealth vehicles from ww2. Interesting. Edited June 16, 2023 by sapperastro
Casey Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, sapperastro said: Just out of curiosity, is H253 a good match for the RLM it is purported to be? Depends who you ask. It might be not blue enough But for the one from this source: https://www.scalemates.com/books/luftwaffe-camouflage-and-markings-1933-1945-volume-2-classic-colours-luftwaffe-camouflage-and-markings-vol2-ka-merrick-juergen-kiroff--102688 Targets set: RLM - Merrick and Kiroff - Vol 2 Card 1 Target: 23. RLM 83 (dunkel-grün), RGB: #59574B (L*=36.75, a=-0.79, b=7.14) Matches in: Humbrol (compared with 170 samples) DE00: 0.79 - #5A594C - AB0253 | No 253 | RLM 83 Dunkelgrun - Matt | GU 0.8 (L*=37.48, a=-1.12, b=7.49) It is almost a perfect match. The broken paint above is tiny bit worse and I have no clue if it is the color it was supposed to have - it is a great match still, though: Target: 23. RLM 83 (dunkel-grün), RGB: #59574B (L*=36.75, a=-0.79, b=7.14) Matches in: Humbrol-gen2 (compared with 1 samples) DE00: 1.61 - #575446 - DB0253 | No 253 | RLM 83 Dunkelgrun - Matt | Gen 2 (L*=35.40, a=-0.33, b=8.39) Edited June 16, 2023 by Casey 1
Casey Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, sapperastro said: Casey, it seems from looking at your charts (wonderful work by the way), that Humbrol 253 (when it isn't frozen), appears to be a close match for; RAF Dark Green and NATO green. It is also the closest "out of the bottle" Humbrol colour for SCC15, the British late war olive drab for their army vehicles and tanks. This whole color range is usually a simple combination of carbon black and iron oxides. Humbrol 253 you can get from modern pure pigments using: 4 part yellow oxide, 1 part burnt sienna and 1 part carbon black. I've used Golden Fluid Acrylics pure pigments (by volume) in recipe above - yellow oxide and burnt sienna are both iron oxides. Anyone having only cheap pigments is destined to stumble upon color from this olive brownish range. RAF Dark Green needs different pigments. It is slightly off that range. Edited June 16, 2023 by Casey 2
sapperastro Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Casey said: RAF Dark Green needs different pigments. It is slightly off that range. Oh. I thought I read in your chart that H253 was the closest Humbrol colour to RAF Dark Green? Quote DE00: 1.56 - #58584B - Humbrol - AB0253 | No 253 | RLM 83 Dunkelgrun - Matt | GU 0.8 (L*=36.68, a=-1.32, b=7.09) Found a match in: Revell (compared with 86 paints) DE00: 2.29 - #54544C - Revell - 36142 | Yellowish olive | GU 1.8 (L*=35.30, a=-1.02, b=4.63) Found a match in: Hataka (compared with 10 paints) DE00: 1.64 - #525347 - Hataka - HTK-A016 | Dark Green | GU 9.6 (L*=34.74, a=-2.00, b=7.00)
PhantomBigStu Posted June 16, 2023 Author Posted June 16, 2023 Interesting I decided to run what Humbrol claim the new 253 is in an RGB comparion site and it gave BS298 Olive Drab as a match.........as you can see quite different to the H86 (right hand side in the earlier pic) I'd put down as fine for 298
Casey Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 4 hours ago, sapperastro said: Oh. I thought I read in your chart that H253 was the closest Humbrol colour to RAF Dark Green? It is. 1.56 is close but it is notieceably different if you put it one to another.
Casey Posted June 16, 2023 Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PhantomBigStu said: RGB comparion site Please be aware of RGB color comparison issues. It will in lot of cases not work as intended. RGB is not defined standard and it is device dependant. I provide my conversions using sRGB and D65/10 observer but it is only for display purposes, all my matching is done in different colorspace (Lab). Another problem is the quality of color data. Sometimes those sites get it by 'color picking from vendor sites' which is almost never right. You can check it easily, try 0 0 0 rgb and see what matches you get. If there is any close match, you can skip this site or app, there is no paint that is even remotely close to this color. Edited June 16, 2023 by Casey 2
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