stevesoutar Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) Late to the party .... Revell 1/72 Ju-88-C6 kit, with rotary BMW 801 motors which will be taken from the Italieri Ju-188 A1-E1 kit Edited January 11, 2023 by stevesoutar photo reposted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 BMW motors from the JU-188 -E1 sprues No cooling fans in front of the cylinders .... I will think about how much I care about fixing this detail ... They are quite noticable in this photo - I think this is a Ju-88-G1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Hi Steve Yes, I noticed the absence of cooling fans when I built my 188E earlier. Apparently Airwaves did a conversion set with them but I think it is no longer available and I noticed elsewhere somebody is thinking of making a copy of those in a Revell Ju 290 kit, but I did not bother. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, PeterB said: Hi Steve Yes, I noticed the absence of cooling fans when I built my 188E earlier. Apparently Airwaves did a conversion set with them but I think it is no longer available and I noticed elsewhere somebody is thinking of making a copy of those in a Revell Ju 290 kit, but I did not bother. Pete Its a small detail, especially at 1/72nd scale, that I would not have noticed - and no-one looking at my models (apart from everyone online here) woould ever realise or care .... But now I do know, i'm trying to decide how much I care ... I have just printed out a couple of fans onto plain printer paper, and two more on a sheet of glossy photographic paper, so I am going to have a go cutting them out witha scalpel & see if that will do the job well enough for me Image cropped from a 1/72 BMW 801 engine kit online (PE & resin) - I can't gring myself to pay another £15 for engines which will be mostly invisible once assembled - for a diorama with engines exposed maybe, in the future this is a jpeg & have made - cooling fans cropped, and scaled to around 11mm diameter, which seems to fit nicely behind the spinner (the circle between is 10mm, as a reference) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, stevesoutar said: Its a small detail, especially at 1/72nd scale, that I would not have noticed - and no-one looking at my models (apart from everyone online here) woould ever realise or care .... But now I do know, i'm trying to decide how much I care ... I have just printed out a couple of fans onto plain printer paper, and two more on a sheet of glossy photographic paper, so I am going to have a go cutting them out witha scalpel & see if that will do the job well enough for me Image cropped from a 1/72 BMW 801 engine kit online (PE & resin) - I can't gring myself to pay another £15 for engines which will be mostly invisible once assembled - for a diorama with engines exposed maybe, in the future this is a jpeg & have made - cooling fans cropped, and scaled to around 11mm diameter, which seems to fit nicely behind the spinner (the circle between is 10mm, as a reference) A cunning plan indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stevesoutar Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 If anyone else want to make cooling fans for BMW 801 engines, this jpeg file should come out in the correct size for 1/72 if you download it & print it on an A4 sheet Using a scalpel, I cut two fans out of a sheet of plain printer paper, it seems good enough for this scale. The fan goes behind the base of the prop spinner Once the motor was assembled, I used fine forceps to put a twist on each of the blades 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 Engine pods are completed. Hiding most of the nicely detailed 14 cylinder engines ... Next step is to cut the front off the Revell engine bay, ready to accept the BMW power egg. I also want to display this one with landing flaps down, and also some movement in the rudder, trim tabs and other control surfaces 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanmi Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 hours ago, stevesoutar said: Using a scalpel, I cut two fans out of a sheet of plain printer paper, it seems good enough for this scale. The fan goes behind the base of the prop spinner It looks convincing, be sure to soak it with varnish to avoid wrinkles over time. Nice save with those 188 engines, looking forward for further progress pictures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Lanmi said: It looks convincing, be sure to soak it with varnish to avoid wrinkles over time. Nice save with those 188 engines, looking forward for further progress pictures. that sounds like a good tip - i hadn't considered that, I guess moisture could mess them up thanks @Lanmi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) I haven't made a final decision on the colour scheme for this one yet - I have some good clear photos of R2s in dark green splinter finish, which may have been maritime R2s in some cases, as well as nightfighters - and there are a handful of good colour photos from the one in Hendon museum as well, but i also found a couple of grainy monochrome shots of R2s with variations on the pale nightfighter schemes, with mottled camouflage around the cockpit & engine areas Can anyone know if there is a list online of jagdgeschwader which operated the late Ju88-Cs or the R models, maybe with an indication of the unit codes as well? I just found this resource, which lists all known unit codes - http://www.rlm.at/cont/archiv02_e.htm There are quite a few clear pictures of G series aircraft, less of the earlier C & R series. (but I still haven't finished skimming all the photos in the books I have yet, either) Edited January 11, 2023 by stevesoutar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Those fans turned out very nice indeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 first bits of surgery this evening liberating the landing flaps, and playing with my new razor saw (1st time using one) Same treatment for the ailerons (I can use putty to tidy up any roughness where the blade flexed a little) Both wings done - landing flaps and ailerons can now be set however I want them. (marked Port & Starboard so I don't mix them up & run into problems fitting them later) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Next I need to trim the undercarriage fairing at the rear, to allow the flap to come down. (I have filed inside the wheel fairing to thin out the plastic to make it closer to the thickness of the aluminium on the original machine) and also trim the front of the engine nacelle to take the BMW engine from the Ju-188 kit 1st motor roughly taped in place - it will have the firewall with the 14 exhaust stubs fitted between the two once I have cleaned up the face of the nacelle on the wing - but that is a job for tomorrow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Coming along nicely Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, stevesoutar said: I haven't made a final decision on the colour scheme for this one yet - I have some good clear photos of R2s in dark green splinter finish, which may have been maritime R2s in some cases, as well as nightfighters - and there are a handful of good colour photos from the one in Hendon museum as well, but i also found a couple of grainy monochrome shots of R2s with variations on the pale nightfighter schemes, with mottled camouflage around the cockpit & engine areas Can anyone know if there is a list online of jagdgeschwader which operated the late Ju88-Cs or the R models, maybe with an indication of the unit codes as well? I just found this resource, which lists all known unit codes - http://www.rlm.at/cont/archiv02_e.htm There are quite a few clear pictures of G series aircraft, less of the earlier C & R series. (but I still haven't finished skimming all the photos in the books I have yet, either) This site "The Luftwaffe, 1933-1945" has quite a bit of info - http://www.ww2.dk/ .If you select "air units" and then an individual geschwader, there is usually at the bottom of the entry a section listing "Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen" or sometimes "Aircraft Inventory and Movement Reports" for each gruppe. If you open that there are tables showing aircraft on hand at various times and instead of just "Ju 88" or "Ju 88G" it often gives the actual type so for example I/NJG4 is shown as having in June 1944 1x Bf 110G4, 6x Ju 88R2 and 10x Ju 88G1. Have a poke around in the NJG and some of the other day units and you should find out who was using C, R and G versions. As to codes there are a few sites but this one also has a listing under "Miscellaneous" on the side menu. Pete Edited January 12, 2023 by PeterB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, PeterB said: This site "The Luftwaffe, 1933-1945" has quite a bit of info - http://www.ww2.dk/ .If you select "air units" and then an individual geschwader, there is usually at the bottom of the entry a section listing "Flugzeugbestand und Bewegungsmeldungen" or sometimes "Aircraft Inventory and Movement Reports" for each gruppe. If you open that there are tables showing aircraft on hand at various times and instead of just "Ju 88" or "Ju 88G" it often gives the actual type so for example I/NJG4 is shown as having in June 1944 1x Bf 110G4, 6x Ju 88R2 and 10x Ju 88G1. Have a poke around in the NJG and some of the other day units and you should find out who was using C, R and G versions. As to codes there are a few sites but this one also has a listing under "Miscellaneous" on the side menu. Pete thats brilliant @PeterB - so now I can identify which units used the Ju-88 R1 or R2 models, then I can cross reference to http://www.rlm.at/cont/archiv02_e.htm to work out what the squadron code letters would have been you are a star - thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 No problem - as I said that site also has code letter listings and quite a bit of other material such as airfields. I had another site which gave info on units and also other things like badges as well but seem to have lost it when I changed computer but I have the book "Luftwaffe Emblems" anyway and use that when making my own decs. Good for day fighters/bombers but nightfighters did not use them much it seems except for the general nightfighter "Englandblitz" emblem which was common on dark painted machines such as the R1 in the RAF Museum. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 All major surgery completed this evening. I just have a little more filler and sanding to be completed, then I will turn my attention to the crew & cabin space before I can join the two fuselage halves & get started on the painting Engine mounts & undercarriage fairings are fixed to the wings - landing flaps cut off, & I used a half-round file to thin out the fairings at the back, so I can get the flaps to sit correctly Engine firewalls have been fitted to the wings, ready for the motors to be attached. And I have separated all the control surfaces, and some of the trim tabs, so I can give the aircraft some animation instead of being 'dead-sticked' in a level flight attitude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 15, 2023 Author Share Posted January 15, 2023 This must be a really old kit - because I realised today there is no cockpit detail apart from two seats on the deck SO I have started scratchbuilding a third seat for the radar operator, plus a control panel for the pilots postion, and the rack of radio equipment at the rear. Luckily I have a ju-88 cockpit detail kit which i ended up NOT using on my Zvezda Ju-88-G6 Not finished yet, but no too untidy I think, I'm finding it tricky working with these tiny brass details 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 I feel your pain with pe! The benefit improvement over the effort. Carry on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Yes, it is an old kit - original A in 1967 and re-1ssued as a C in 1974 according to Scalemates. Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 Cockpit detailed (as far it goes so far) rear bulkhead made, with PE radio equipment panels - test fit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 When i popped the gondola into place, the two crew seats are in the wrong position (too far forward) - judging from pictures of other cockpits in this group thread, I decided to drag the cockpit floor a few mm, putting the pilot & radio operators seats in the middle of the cockpit canopy, which now looks right (wrong in this dry fit below) Upper seat belts are now in place, ready for the crew. & I have picked out the exhaust stacks in deep rust red before the engine pods are glued in place 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevesoutar Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Crew in place, with PE seatbelts (top straps only - nothing else would be visible, or even possible!) And crew gondola with cockpit installed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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