Scimitar F1 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) I simply cannot take it anymore - beautiful models of the Tempest with the incorrect dihedral. The inboard portion of the wing is at zero dihedral the outer part at 5 1/2 deg dihedral. Every build I see is wrong - I know that the SH kit’s cockpit pushes out the upper wing but the Tempest is not a Corsair wannabe and that is what tools are for. No one will notice the lower cockpit is truncated but the wing is so obvious. Will Edited November 25, 2022 by Scimitar F1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 …life’s too short to worry about other people’s models. best, M. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Actions speak louder than words...build one as a detailed WIP. Demonstrate the problem, provide the solution and others will follow! 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scimitar F1 Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alan P said: Actions speak louder than words...build one as a detailed WIP. Demonstrate the problem, provide the solution and others will follow! That is the plan! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Scimitar F1 said: That is the plan! A fine plan too! I thought the kit was a great build overall, it'll be a treat! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephLalor Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Would this be a matter of shortening the upper wing surfaces at the root or sawing the lower surface in half and shimming with plastic card? I must check the wingspan of mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, JosephLalor said: Would this be a matter of shortening the upper wing surfaces at the root or sawing the lower surface in half and shimming with plastic card? I must check the wingspan of mine. The problem is the cockpit - either you need to dispose of the cockpit framing or thin out the wings to the point of terminal fragility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Might just be a matter of taking better photos… best, M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, cmatthewbacon said: Might just be a matter of taking better photos… best, M. No, there's definitely a structural issue 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Looks like lopping off the side frames below the middle tube would be easy enough, and not affect how it looks when built very much… I’d also fit the upper wings to the roots before attaching the lower wing, but I tend to do that anyway… best, M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, cmatthewbacon said: Looks like lopping off the side frames below the middle tube would be easy enough, and not affect how it looks when built very much… best, M. True, if you're expecting it! I wasn't 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic Mike Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Scimitar F1 said: I simply cannot take it anymore - beautiful models of the Tempest with the incorrect dihedral. The inboard portion of the wing is at zero incidence, the outer part at 5 1/2 deg dihedral. Every build I see is wrong - I know that the SH kit’s cockpit pushes out the upper wing but the Tempest is not a Corsair wannabe and that is what tools are for. No one will notice the lower cockpit is truncated but the wing is so obvious. Will Well, you're going to hate mine in a week or so! Sorry... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnerboy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chaotic Mike said: Well, you're going to hate mine in a week or so! Sorry... As long as you enjoyed it, thats what matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilj Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) my 1/32 SH Tempest is no Stuka.... you just have to keep filing and grinding until the fuselage accepts the wing in the correct format lol Edited November 26, 2022 by ilj added kit manufacturer and scale 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastterry Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 If you're going to build big models you need to visit Large Scale Planes for some hints especially 'SH Tempest V "kicked up a notch" by Chuck540z3. In his master class he goes into some detail on how to fix the wing problem amongst a host of other stuff. TRF 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 6 hours ago, fastterry said: If you're going to build big models you need to visit Large Scale Planes for some hints especially 'SH Tempest V "kicked up a notch" by Chuck540z3. In his master class he goes into some detail on how to fix the wing problem amongst a host of other stuff. TRF I'll go with that, a great build thread. Cheers Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic Mike Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Damn! Too late! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Do I remember correctly that the underside of the center section should be "dead flat"? That would leave the top surface heading downhill slightly. But I haven't looked at the kit parts or test-fitted or any of that stuff- mostly just danced a gleeful jig and then consigned them to the "stash of doom". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scimitar F1 Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 There is a slight taper that is not really visible on the inner wing. The centreline of the wing should be horizontal. The undercarriage legs splay out beyond the vertical as well. 9 hours ago, fastterry said: you're going to build big models you need to visit Large Scale Planes for some hints especially 'SH Tempest V "kicked up a notch" by Chuck540z3. In his master class he goes into some detail on how to fix the wing problem amongst a host of other stuff. That is a great build though I would not go to the level of surface detail that he achieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilj Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) The other major design-induced challenge with the SH 1/32 kit is the rake of the landing gear. As in the Typhoon, there is a considerable forward rake of the landing gear. I don't know what the angle is, but it is crucial to get right for the correct stance of your model. The sockets for the gear legs in the kit are not tight, giving a wide latitude for the gear rake angle. The lower edge of the gear door forms an upward angle as shown. Some folks have the rake set so the lower line of the gear door is horizontal, or even angled up towards the rear, either way giving the model an odd stance. Examples: https://www.hyperscale.com/2016/galleries/tempestmkv32bg_1.htm https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=3323 https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/84784-sh-tempest-mk-v-kicked-up-a-notch-january-1421-new-ebook/page/27/ Edited November 26, 2022 by ilj corrected sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 All the above a very useful pre build advice so a thanks to the posters. On the cockpit and wing fit conflict isn’t that what test builds pre large scale production are supposed to address. On the other hand what would we have to talk about if they just fall together straight out the box? We all hate Tamiya for doing that don’t we…..er not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilj Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 examples of builds that reproduced the correct wing and gear rake, and that I think totally aced this difficult kit: https://chriswauchop.com/2017/12/27/special-hobby-1-32-hawker-tempest-mk-v/ https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/cleaver/gb/fighter/tctemp.htm https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=2836 ilj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 9:03 PM, Alan P said: No, there's definitely a structural issue Ha rumbled, now we know who took that Hurricane photo🤔 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Smith Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 If you are lashing out large sums of hard earned on big kits you expect them to be correct these days and not have to do major surgery on them. If this kit is so wrong go up a scale and get the big Airfix one that I understand is quite accurate. Maybe Tamiya will come up with a 1/32nd scale Tempest? Issue resolved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 The big Airfix one is quite inaccurate for a Tempest... since it is a Typhoon! 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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