cherisy Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Evening all Can anyone tell me when the twin launcher for the R60 (aphid) was first fitted to the Mig 21 ? I've seen photos online that probably date from the early 90s but I am more interested in the Soviet era and in particular the 1980s. Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty84 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Maybe someone else will correct me but according to Wiki, the MiG-21MF was the first version to employ the R-60 on twin P-62-2 launchers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Armament https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikojan-Gurewitsch_MiG-21#Bewaffnung Cheers Markus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Shorty84 said: Maybe someone else will correct me but according to Wiki, the MiG-21MF was the first version to employ the R-60 on twin P-62-2 launchers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Armament https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikojan-Gurewitsch_MiG-21#Bewaffnung Cheers Markus Thanks Markus hadn't seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 According to the German wikipedia page about the Wympel R-60 it was carried on twin launchers by the Mig-21MF and Mig-21Bis. Saluti Giampiero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAGATIGER Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Hi there Well regarding the Russian R-60 Wymopel (Aphid) I always wonder to know that other than its used by Ethiopian AF Su-27 to shootdown the Eritrean AF MiG-29 where or when had been use sucefully and against what Ahhhh Alsowere used by Cuban Mig-23/29 to shoot down a pair Cessna 337 Regards Armando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, RAGATIGER said: Well regarding the Russian R-60 Wymopel (Aphid) I always wonder to know that other than its used by Ethiopian AF Su-27 to shootdown the Eritrean AF MiG-29 where or when had been use sucefully and against what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-60_(missile)#Operational_history Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, RAGATIGER said: Well regarding the Russian R-60 Wymopel (Aphid) I always wonder to know that other than its used by Ethiopian AF Su-27 to shootdown the Eritrean AF MiG-29 where or when had been use sucefully and against what Are you sure about that? I have never seen any R-60 on any Flanker variant. I doubt it was even integrated.... I'd assume those were R-73... or unlikely R-27... On the MiG-29 on the other hand it was. Not sure though on 9.13 variants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 hours ago, exdraken said: Are you sure about that? I have never seen any R-60 on any Flanker variant. I doubt it was even integrated.... I'd assume those were R-73... or unlikely R-27... On the MiG-29 on the other hand it was. Not sure though on 9.13 variants... The Wympel R-60 is carried by Mig-29 (9-12) and (9-13) and by Sukhoi Su-22,Su-24 and Su-25. Saluti Giampiero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Hook said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-60_(missile)#Operational_history Cheers, Andre I never knew it was the R60 that shot down that 707. I always assumed it was the Apex missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 Getting a bit off topic . I'm sure I didn't post a question about Su27s and Mig 29s 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 23 hours ago, cherisy said: Evening all Can anyone tell me when the twin launcher for the R60 (aphid) was first fitted to the Mig 21 ? I've seen photos online that probably date from the early 90s but I am more interested in the Soviet era and in particular the 1980s. Thanks in advance I can't imagine anything was developped for the MiG-21 in Russia (i.e. post Soviet Union) so needs to pre-date that considerably, no? some more info here https://en.missilery.info/missile/r60 MiG-23 MFs and MiG-21 MFs had them, also seen on MiG-25, Su-24, and probably Su-15s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Earliest pics I have seen are from the mid 70s - on p. 78 of the Mikoyan MiG-23 & MiG-27 tome in Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov Famous Russian Aircraft range are shots of an uncoded factory fresh early allover grey MiG-23M (version produced until 1978) with the twin rails fitted under the belly (as well as an interesting shot with added underwing APU-60 single rails, for a six R-60 load). HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitriy1967 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) In 1975, the lead batch of APU-60-II aircraft launchers was released. They are a modification of the APU-60-III launcher that was originally developed and did not go into the series. The APU-60-II launcher allows simultaneous suspension of two R-60 missiles. APU-60-II is structurally a beam consisting of a frame and two pylons put on it. Electrical equipment (communication, power supply, control, delay units) is placed inside the frame; in the pylon there is an electromechanical lock, an anti—vibration mechanism and a mechanism for cutting off the electric lift of the rocket. To reduce aerodynamic drag, front and rear fairings are installed on the APU-60-II. The frame and pylons are made of lightweight and durable aluminum profile. The pylons have rail guides with a special hard coating. Structurally, the pylons are completely interchangeable with the pylons included in the starting devices of all modifications of the APU-60-I. The mounting of the APU-60-II on aircraft is carried out through a beam holder by means of eye bolts. The APU-60-II aircraft launcher was produced in right and left versions to ensure the symmetry of the suspension on the carrier. The main tactical and technical characteristics of the APU-60-II Weight - no more than 71 kg; Dimensions - 2020x250x335 mm; The force of the rocket descent is 120 ± 60 kgf; The number of launches from one APU is 150. Edited November 23, 2022 by Dmitriy1967 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 11:12 PM, Dmitriy1967 said: In 1975, the lead batch of APU-60-II aircraft launchers was released. They are a modification of the APU-60-III launcher that was originally developed and did not go into the series. The APU-60-II launcher allows simultaneous suspension of two R-60 missiles. APU-60-II is structurally a beam consisting of a frame and two pylons put on it. Electrical equipment (communication, power supply, control, delay units) is placed inside the frame; in the pylon there is an electromechanical lock, an anti—vibration mechanism and a mechanism for cutting off the electric lift of the rocket. To reduce aerodynamic drag, front and rear fairings are installed on the APU-60-II. The frame and pylons are made of lightweight and durable aluminum profile. The pylons have rail guides with a special hard coating. Structurally, the pylons are completely interchangeable with the pylons included in the starting devices of all modifications of the APU-60-I. The mounting of the APU-60-II on aircraft is carried out through a beam holder by means of eye bolts. The APU-60-II aircraft launcher was produced in right and left versions to ensure the symmetry of the suspension on the carrier. The main tactical and technical characteristics of the APU-60-II Weight - no more than 71 kg; Dimensions - 2020x250x335 mm; The force of the rocket descent is 120 ± 60 kgf; The number of launches from one APU is 150. Wow I didn't realise they went back as far as 1975 ! Thats great info many thanks. I take it these were for the Mig 21 Bis and SMT only ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 6:13 AM, Hook said: Earliest pics I have seen are from the mid 70s - on p. 78 of the Mikoyan MiG-23 & MiG-27 tome in Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov Famous Russian Aircraft range are shots of an uncoded factory fresh early allover grey MiG-23M (version produced until 1978) with the twin rails fitted under the belly (as well as an interesting shot with added underwing APU-60 single rails, for a six R-60 load). HTH, Andre And I've got that book but missed it I'll dig it out later and take a look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 According to the German wikipedia page about the Wympel R-60 it was initially built for use on the Mig-23/27. Saluti Giampiero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitriy1967 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 23 hours ago, cherisy said: Thats great info many thanks. I take it these were for the Mig 21 Bis and SMT only ? It's probably easier to name planes where it wasn't used. Here is an article about the R-60 rocket. The article is in Russian, but I hope Google translator will help you understand. R-60 / R-60M - AA-8 APHID 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Dmitriy1967 said: It's probably easier to name planes where it wasn't used. Here is an article about the R-60 rocket. The article is in Russian, but I hope Google translator will help you understand. R-60 / R-60M - AA-8 APHID Spasibo Dmitriy! I have the decals for the Sukhoi Su-24MR in commemorative markings celebrating 100 years of VVS. Saluti Giampiero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 11:06 PM, cherisy said: Wow I didn't realise they went back as far as 1975 ! Thats great info many thanks. I take it these were for the Mig 21 Bis and SMT only ? According to my references, the SMT / bis were the first versions wired for the R-60 when built. The only MF's that could carry them as delivered from the construction line were the Izdeliye 96D Gorki-built export versions that had some bis features (Eduards 1/72nd MiG-21MF "interceptor" boxings). HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherisy Posted November 27, 2022 Author Share Posted November 27, 2022 19 hours ago, Dmitriy1967 said: It's probably easier to name planes where it wasn't used. Here is an article about the R-60 rocket. The article is in Russian, but I hope Google translator will help you understand. R-60 / R-60M - AA-8 APHID Thankyou for sharing that Demitriy. I've learnt a few things from that . I never knew it was in service as early as 1974 and I certainly didn't know that it was fitted on the MI 8 and MI 24. I've both in the stash so there's an option for an Afghanistan or East Germany option there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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