galgos Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Apart from the IP in the MMP book JM I haven't seen any internal cockpit photographs either so I think you can model it as you wish and nobody can tell you you're wrong! And as ever in cockpits, not much can be seen. I like the look of that IP by the way. Max 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 -Time has come to begin the rebuilding of the fuselage. A pattern of the part to be replaced has to be carefully taken with masking tape another adhésive may do the job. Apply this pattern on your metal sheet ,cut it and glued it with cyano -Sorry for these blurred photos - To help the shaping, use the metal in the direction of the curvature of the can. To cut the cockpit opening I must thanks Max for his help. -The hairy affair is the prepositionned rigging wires. Next step the fuselage back behind the seat. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Marvellous JM. How will you get the ribbing effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 41 minutes ago, galgos said: Marvellous JM. How will you get the ribbing effect? -Hi Max, I have two ideas which requires few tries before going further on. As the ribbing effect is very shallow, I was thinking of making small diameter wet toilet paper rolls (boudins in French)- and once dry, glue them on the surface of the metal and cover the whole thing with the adhésive foil, easy to burnish at an acceptable shape or punch a small diameter tube or nail inside the metal sheet to get a ribbing effect and proceed as usual but a precise spacing between them is mandatory. I have to try......In last resort, there is an emergency exit by filing some evergreen stripes to the appropriate shape and proceed like the first solution .... which is far more fun no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It will be quite a challenge whichever way you try! A further option could be to make it all smooth to the biggest diameter then with a curved blade, scrape away along the line of the rib. This is what I did on my Gauntlet on the belly for 2 or 3 cms because that part had been modelled by SW as metal covered rather than fabric. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 -This deserves to be tried.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 -Time has come to take care of the spine; -Detemine the shape of the metal to be cut - Once the skin applied, preposition some length to dimensions of evergreen rods of the smallest possible diameter to simuate the ribbing. -On the ICM kit the ribbing is shallower than on the S.W kit and scraping technique is impossible on metal, my idea of wet paper roll being too hazardous I use the plastic rods, but this will requires time consuming sanding and putty work. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Sensible JM! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Brave and clever work, enjoying the show! Edited November 18, 2022 by RichieW Spell check fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 21, 2022 Author Share Posted November 21, 2022 -Progress is slow, I'm not happy with the foil I use, it wrinkle too easily to have a smooth finish - I will use Mr Surfacer a better satisfying stretched surface .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 -To reduce and suppress the problem of wrinkle foil, a thick coat fo Mr Surfacer 1200 is applied, - Some imperfections are to be noticed so I sprayed a coat of black paint to render them more conspicious -These requires patches of thinned surfacer, to be sanded again once dry, eventually to be repeated until satisfaction... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Mr Surfacer, where would we be without it? It will work in the end but I was wondering if it might be quicker and cleaner to emboss the ribs onto a sheet of styrene with a pencil. The styrene will curve nicely once embossed and can be folded into the shape you want. As said, the Mr Surfacer will work and I have done it like that before too. Richie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 - Thank you Ritchie , I had thought of your solution but there were too many difficulties; The ribbs are not parallel to match those on the rear fuselage back to be embossed on the itself arched surface of the fuselage back , so thinking of the number of beer can had to drink owing to the number of wrong parts to be made before finding THE right one, I choosed another way -The way of the surfacer, the Modellers's Gods gift.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I had to do a similar thing to the engine nacelles on a vacuform Avro Anson that I'm building JM. I laid down strips of plastic rod tapering to a point then filled in with Apoxie sculpt putty, thinned to a fairly runny consistency. Each to their own, but I'd be using plastic sheet as my base, not metal. The orange paint is a car body primer which gives a good finish but is thick enough to give some "body" when sprayed on. Might work for you? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, galgos said: The orange paint is a car body primer which gives a good finish but is thick enough to give some "body" when sprayed on. Might work for you? Beautiful work! I use the same car body primer but need many layers because my work is not as neat as yours! 2 hours ago, IPMS19 said: The way of the surfacer, the Modellers's Gods gift.... A great gift it is too, been splodging it about today. 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Great work on this it is certainly an interesting method to get the ribbing effects, cockpit work looks fantastic, great work. @galgos great to see the lovely Anson again , is this back on again would be great to see this . Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I keep trying to find a slot for the Anson Chris, but there’s so many other lovely models to do, including (arrived yesterday!) the new Airfix Anson……watch this space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 15 hours ago, galgos said: I had to do a similar thing to the engine nacelles on a vacuform Avro Anson that I'm building JM. I laid down strips of plastic rod tapering to a point then filled in with Apoxie sculpt putty, thinned to a fairly runny consistency. Each to their own, but I'd be using plastic sheet as my base, not metal. The orange paint is a car body primer which gives a good finish but is thick enough to give some "body" when sprayed on. Might work for you? -Fantastic ribbing work on this Anson, in the past I used car body one component finishing putty found easily everywhere, the tube was four time a Tamiya putty size for half the cost, but it desappeared from the retailers shelves, the one now available is unuseful for modelling as it needs an hardener to work and. far too thick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 - The fight has been ferocious, but I fear I won't get something better.... -What's for sure, you won't see it on the SMW competition tables ....show must, and will,go on whatever...... - Some finishing is now required but nothing impossible to cope with..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Well JM, it was a huge task you were brave enough to take on, but as an “old soldier” I know you won’t be defeated! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 21 hours ago, galgos said: Well JM, it was a huge task you were brave enough to take on, but as an “old soldier” I know you won’t be defeated! -I'll got it Max.......😠 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPMS19 Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 - Unhappy with what I've done as there was a big difference of details between the kit original and what I got I elect to a more radical solution -So my own ribs were added after sanding the kit ones and covered with foil but as the forward part was far from beeing sitasfying I fired all the whole to be replaced by another set of ribbs using the same system Covered with foil and begining to lost my nerves, hence the quality of the photos.....once sprayed with white aluminium ALCLAD, the result is certainly not perfect but I've enough of these bloody ribbs and decide to be happy with them.......may the modeller's God forgive me... -Enough for today guys..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Looking MUCH better though JM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieW Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 That's so much better, I seem to spend half my life redoing bits that don't work out. I think that's a really good result. Richie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k5054nz Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 What a fascinating build! I'm enjoying this a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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