If it rotates...

[perdu]

That is wonderful, so is that answer Ralph thank you.

[perdu]

I wonder if this will work?

 

I am trying out ways to replicate the skin of the nose that has been torn apart, this version has a Lynx nose dipped into plasticene and withdrawn to leave a replica of the nose in negative form.

 

Now I want to try running UV setting resin around the walls of the skin and lamping the recess of resin with the UV torch

 

 

The purple light IS shining into the resin here

 

But the flash flooded the image, flash now off.

 

Green plasticene-a-like doesn't like to let go when the parts are removed

 

 

 

 

I was hoping this will look like torn and tattered skin forced apart by the bomb pulling off the radome, especially if coupled with some/lots of this

 

 

Oh well on we go, more thoughts on doing this coming along.

 

 

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

I have always assumed that the weapon hoist was hurriedly fitted to help keep the Mk.44 (it’s definitely a 44, Ralph) in place on the carrier while they sorted things out; I think I have a photo that shows that they added some nylon lashings around the weapon for the same reason - they’re kind of visible in Bill’s photo, at the nose of the weapon.   Bad enough to have a hole in your flight deck with an un-airworthy Lynx on it, without adding a warshot torpedo loose on deck to the equation…

[perdu]

Another of those wonderful modelling decisions coming up now then, when to choose as the time of the model incident relative to the torpedo sorting out-ness.

 

I do recall mention of a deck awash with OTTO fuel after the bomb went into the 'oggin', which may be the source of my mislabelling the device, forgetting that torpedoes dont just run through the water driven by a twelve volt battery and an electric motor nowadays.

 

 

 

So can anyone point me in the direction of a picture of a mk44 with its motor removed please? 

 

I am imagining a complex sight with pipes, dooberries and widgets hanging out of a recess in the tail...

 

Rather expecting the tangled nose skin wreckage will suit a sculptorly hand with a smidgeon of Milliput and copious amounts of Evergreenity.

[giemme]

1 hour ago, perdu said:

Rather expecting the tangled nose skin wreckage will suit a sculptorly hand with a smidgeon of Milliput and copious amounts of Evergreenity.

 

  Looking forward to that! 

Ciao

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

I hadn’t even thought of the Otto fuel thing; that stuff is hideous at the best of times, let alone when there are baddies chucking things at you (to use a technical warry term).

 

I think you could be over-thinking this, Bill; that torpedo looks essentially intact to me.  If the Otto fuel dit is true, then it might have been cracked or similar (which wouldn’t be surprising given what had just happened), but I certainly don’t think you need semi-dismantle your tiny weapon (paging @Ced).

[heloman1]

On 1/29/2024 at 11:00 AM, perdu said:

I wonder if this will work?

 

I am trying out ways to replicate the skin of the nose that has been torn apart, this version has a Lynx nose dipped into plasticene and withdrawn to leave a replica of the nose in negative form.

 

Now I want to try running UV setting resin around the walls of the skin and lamping the recess of resin with the UV torch

 

 

The purple light IS shining into the resin here

 

But the flash flooded the image, flash now off.

 

Green plasticene-a-like doesn't like to let go when the parts are removed

 

 

 

 

I was hoping this will look like torn and tattered skin forced apart by the bomb pulling off the radome, especially if coupled with some/lots of this

 

 

Oh well on we go, more thoughts on doing this coming along.

 

 

Bill, I think your resin may well have reacted with the oils in the Plasticene, horrible stuff to work with. Maybe try some air-drying modelling clay, which should become inert once hardened.

When I was involved with the Mould makers Guild in Johannesburg, Plasticene was frowned upon!

 

Colin the Wessex nut

[perdu]

5 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

I hadn’t even thought of the Otto fuel thing; that stuff is hideous at the best of times, let alone when there are baddies chucking things at you (to use a technical warry term).

 

I think you could be over-thinking this, Bill; that torpedo looks essentially intact to me.  If the Otto fuel dit is true, then it might have been cracked or similar (which wouldn’t be surprising given what had just happened), but I certainly don’t think you need semi-dismantle your tiny weapon (paging @Ced).

If it looks intact (enough) to you Crisp I will stop worrying about it, as looking closely at the picture it looks as if the thing at the back by that rack must be the parachute thingy you have shown us before, it being a slightly different diameter and colour.

 

Phew...

 

4 hours ago, heloman1 said:

Bill, I think your resin may well have reacted with the oils in the Plasticene, horrible stuff to work with. Maybe try some air-drying modelling clay, which should become inert once hardened.

When I was involved with the Mould makers Guild in Johannesburg, Plasticene was frowned upon!

 

Colin the Wessex nut

Yes I think so too Colin, it will let its layer of 'cene go eventually but I'm not too worried just now 'cos it  is just a 'test the concept' idea.     

 

I do expect to be chipping away at hardened Milliputtery soon.              

[Bertie McBoatface]

On 28/01/2024 at 19:18, Chewbacca said:

That is the weapon hoist frame.

 

I knew it was something to do with plumbers. (RAF joke) 

[perdu]

19 hours ago, Bertie McBoatface said:

(RAF joke, sorry) 

Apologising?

 

Surely totes unnecessary Bertie man, the point of my threads is for the humour..

 

I am ofttimes tempted to quote Mork From Ork in here...

[perdu]

Working out the port side damage is going to be harder but I will base it around this view of the damage from the front

 

Basing the damaged part on this it seems the bomb tore its way across the radome and wrenched the metalwork of the front end round three quarters of the way off to port.

 

Torn right off the screen mount and wrenched the cabin window off in the process it lifted the port windscreen off its frame which seems to have given up the left frame and glazing

 

Using this marvellous shot from Peter Mitrovich I think the cavity behind the radar mount has crumpled on the journey to port so it hasn't completely torn itself away but wrinkled the upper nose panel and torn away the port footwell window as it did the starboard one.

 

I believe someone has a picture of the port side damage but it has proven itself very capable of remaining hidden so far.

 

Search goes on

 

Plan A is to take a cast of the front end of the Army Lynx, hoping the Airfix ones are correct in giving both Lynxes the same front.

 

Here we dip our nose in the cup

 

 

When set I am going to take a cast and convert it using imagination*, into a badly damaged nose, box section included

 

*SIHRSC may well be involved here...

 

Plan is to use the cast buck to produce wrinkled metal looking plasticard which gets us on the road to Fleetlands later

 

 

 

The internal front cockpit dividing panel got pulled across and the screen frame was torn open, which might be interesting whilst I build up and mutilate the inner pieces for sheer unbridled fun...

 

 

Not

Above is the inner panel during the restoration works which will show you some of the stuff I'll be attempting, quite excited too 'cos it's a first time for me attempting severe damage by sculptural methods.

 

 

A new nose for a little cat...

 

Hmm no, this will be used to make heat pulled curved panels which will then be wrinkled to suit.

 

 

 

Also sitting calmly until called upon

 

 

 

I need more screens than I have, at least one of which has to be drastically deframed on its port side, so, since Rob doesn't seem to have given me the front screen for the Army Lynx hope to use the only one I own to make a couple on the vacformer

 

Cross 'em please.

 

(fingers not eyes OK?)

 

Airwaves provide a tail hinge etching, I have it.

 

Should I?

 

And who has details for the MAD devoice hanging off the starb'd side?

Anyone?

 

[Terry1954]

Brilliant work Bill, and with this involved...........

 

1 hour ago, perdu said:

*SIHRSC may well be involved here...

 

..........we are in for a treat!

 

I'd wondered when we were going to see the good old six incher out again.

 

T.

[giemme]

Brilliant stuff, Bill!

 

Ciao 

[heloman1]

Ambitious little project, this ne Bill. Neat work with the nose mould.

 

Colin the Wessex nut.

[The Spadgent]

Oooh lovey work Bill. Looks like the omni file has had an outing already on the under side. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with for that tattered nose. 
 

Johnny

[Brandy]

I'm looking forward to seeing how you work your magic on this one Bill. Damage is not easy to replicate, but I know you'll do a great job!

 

Ian

[perdu]

21 hours ago, Terry1954 said:

Brilliant work Bill, and with this involved...........

 

 

..........we are in for a treat!

 

I'd wondered when we were going to see the good old six incher out again.

 

T.

Never far away Young Terry

 

 

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

On 2/2/2024 at 4:52 PM, perdu said:

And who has details for the MAD devoice hanging off the starb'd side?

Anyone?

 

 

Check your email!

[dr_gn]

Nice work Perdu.

 

See you next week?

[perdu]

Sadly no Garth, club hasnt booked for it

[dr_gn]

7 hours ago, perdu said:

Sadly no Garth, club hasnt booked for it

Whaaaat?

[perdu]

We lost one of our Huddy/Halifax/Leeds stalwarts Gareth last year and his mate Roland with whom I would show on Brum's behalf didn't want to do it this time around.

 

I'm not going to do a stand on my own so maybe next time perhaps.

[perdu]

Working it out

 

Pencil optional

 

Beginning the 'not to be quite destroyed' nose interior structure with the webbing and frame work that was once home to the radar scanner and about seventeen miles of copper cables, judging by the 'after' photos

 

 

These give an idea what is to happen under there.

 

I remember wondering about modelling the MAD 'bird' back there behind the type44

 

 

And after an incredibly useful discussion with Ex-FAAWAFU when he revealed that they were on trial on a few Lynxes when the war broke out and stayed aboard during... 

 

They were actually as used by the USN on Sea Kings and he posits they might even be using the actual gear from the US supplied for testing.

 

Which prompted a thought which generated a memory.

 

I've got a Fujimi Sea King with a set of MAD gear and type 44 and 46 torpedoes in my stash, look

 

Noice, acos I didn't quite fancy part drilling all those leetle holes in the conic section

 

The raw materials for the window frame modification, scarifying and all round semi destruction are ready to go.

 

Remember this?

 

You can see where I am going now I hope.

[perdu]

In the interests of getting ^^^^ 'THERE'  ^^^^ I have been trawling every image available and one of the best I know is the Haynes Lynx Manual, these books are amazing and always provide good info.

 

As here

 

Showing the damaged section of the airframe, clearly identifying the way the front fuselage was torn and twisted so here I have begun taking my fuselage apart to let me stick a piece of windscreen to the front, nose section.

 

I can see that the damage has removed the yaw pedals section of the floor back as far as the cyclic stick position.

 

Even more badly damaged than I imagined but the centre console looks intact which will be useful when I stick my bits in place.

 

Plan A had been to make up a selection of plates and boxes for the damaged area but this shot shows how much of the nose cone was simply shunted sideways and up before dropping down with the port screen still attached.

 

Cutting back even further than I had anticipated, this might do, so whilst I build the cockpit sections I can change plan A for plan A1

 

Next big thing coming...

 

 

Inside the cockpit roof an Airwaves Lynx console, not perfect but will add much needed 'stuff' in view when added to the fuselage

 

See?

 

 

I was going to sail on and blithely add both roof windows when Crisp pointed out that she had wrecked the pilot's side upper (Eyebrow) roof light when the bomb rattled the poor little thing so I left it out.

 

Later on I intend (do remind me please) to add fragments of Perspex round the edge of the hole, mustn't miss any damage huh?

 

 

I'm not sure I got the angle of the engine power levers right but I am sure our own Lynx drivers will put me right if they notice (Crisp? Ralph?)

 

Having decided my general direction of effort now its time to get on with it, it seems that much of the structure just got shifted not removed so the kit nose cone and radome is a righteous task to reshape

 

Here ongoing

 

 

And I do like this.

 

 

I've got glue to set before I get brutal so I'll see  you laters

[perdu]

Ongoing now, return of The Uberfile.

 

The razor saw cutting height set by using a packing piece to set the height of the cut whilst cutting away excess radome bits.

 

And it's essential to have sharp blades

 

The shape of the tip tells the tale of the blade, this one hasn't needed replacement since Christmas but when its time...

 

Rear panel prep

 

 

Fronted

 

 

0.005" plasticard comes into its own for this little task, I think a teensy bit more on the length front and back will suffice

 

Now to begin details

 

 

Ah, hear that?

 

Bradley calls...