billyharry2000 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Hi There Wonder if someone could help with my next model project,a French Air Force Mirage 111c of EC1/10 Valois.I have always liked this aircraft and was wondering if anyone has any flightline shots at there base which was Creil at the time.I live near a former RAF base which in Oct 1978 had EC1/10 Valois Mirage 111c on a Sqn exchange with our then Lightning's when one of the Mirages 10-SJ (38) flamed out over Grimsby and crashed in a farmer's field pilot was ok.This Mirage was the only one on the exchange in the blue scheme.Hope someone can help. Kind Regards Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Interesting when you say blue do you mean like the mirage F1 scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyharry2000 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Yes I believe they called it bleu de Mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV O Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 No pictures ! Sorry about that. But more about the story : https://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9272#p48865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyharry2000 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 Thank you for that AV O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) Here is a picture of a Mirage IIIC painted in gris bleu (blue grey).The Humbrol equivalent is Hu16 Blue Federal Standard FS35164. Saluti Giampiero Edited October 4, 2022 by GiampieroSilvestri 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG 33 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Hi Craig I was stationed on Creil AB from 1979 to 1985. At the time Mirage IIIC were painted like the Air Defence Mirage F1C in blue over aluminium. Here is a picture of #38 when from the sister squadron "Cercle de Chasse" EC 02/010. Cheers. Patrick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV O Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, billyharry2000 said: a French Air Force Mirage 111c of EC1/10 Valois.I Craig Airfix vintage fantasy ; https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-292-mirage-111c--145452 It was fortunately modified on later issues :` https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-gunze-x-208-dassault-mirage-iiic--1242236 Edited October 5, 2022 by AV O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 That particular aircraft is featured on Model Art Decal sheet 72/039, it shows it in the blue over aluminium scheme but the forward part of the nose between the front of the windscreen and the radome is natural metal (quite common practice I understand, Patrick @VG 33 would know). Jean-Pierre Desprez is pretty hot with his research, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a photo to confirm the scheme, try contacting him at [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG 33 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Wez said: That particular aircraft is featured on Model Art Decal sheet 72/039, it shows it in the blue over aluminium scheme but the forward part of the nose between the front of the windscreen and the radome is natural metal (quite common practice I understand, Patrick @VG 33 would know). Sometimes the radar electronics compartment could be taken from one aircraft to the other and they were not all in Blue over Aluminium. Some remained in natural metal up to an overall scheduled maintenance. Patrick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Years ago, I went to an open day at Creil and took some photos of the Mirage IIICs. The problem is - can I find those negatives! I have a small flake of paint which "fell off" the wing of a IIIC and found it to be a perfect match to colour No.636 PRU Blue in BS 381C, 1964. This is not to contradict Giampiero, FS35164 is the same colour. If British modellers call this colour "Mirage Blue", in France it is known as "Bleu défense aérienne". @Wez Mirage 38 had a natural metal area in front of the cockpit at the time of the crash. The pilotless aircraft was only slightly damaged by the crash and was repaired and flew again two years later. A photo of the repaired Mirage shows a totally black nose. Reference: Mirage III, Tome 1 by Chenel, Moreau and Audouin, DTU 2000. Mike 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) Humbrol Hu16 blue is the colour written in the painting instructions of the old Esci 1/48 scale Mirage F1.Now the colour number has changed to Hu144 intermediate blue but the colour is the same. Saluti Giampiero Edited October 5, 2022 by GiampieroSilvestri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 19 hours ago, AV O said: Airfix vintage fantasy ; The Red Nose Day Airfix USA boxing is even weirder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyharry2000 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Thank you all for your replies on the Mirage 111c very helpful. Many Thanks Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG 33 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Hello For the blue which was the same as for the Mirage F1 I used 80% Gunze H42 and 20% white. My Mirage F1B is here : https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235014007-172-special-hobby-dassaut-mirage-f1b/ Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 On 10/5/2022 at 8:41 AM, GiampieroSilvestri said: The Humbrol equivalent is Hu16 Blue Federal Standard FS35164. 19 hours ago, Michou said: a perfect match to colour No.636 PRU Blue in BS 381C, 1964. This is not to contradict Giampiero, FS35164 is the same colour. Hu 16 should more correctly be written as HU16 & was part of the old Humbrol Authentic range & has indeed been superceded by Hu 144 & is equivalent to FS 35164. Scroll down to HU16 in the left column & all will be revealed. There is little difference between Intermediate Blue & PRU Blue according to some references & my not very accurate eyes. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 10/4/2022 at 10:55 PM, AV O said: Airfix vintage fantasy ; https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-292-mirage-111c--145452 It was fortunately modified on later issues :` https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-gunze-x-208-dassault-mirage-iiic--1242236 Why fantasy - because of the spacial setting and the less-than-stellar perspective of in particular the JL100s (I think that's what they were called)? The model follows the Aeromodeller drawing to a hair (mostly), and those drawings also include the Matra 511 (IIRC) and the rarely-seen tanks/launchers. The only modification this kit ever had (as far as I'm aware) were new artwork and new decals for 1989 and later issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV O Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, tempestfan said: Why fantasy - I am only refering to the thread title : Mirage 111C which appears on the this Airfix boxing. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/airfix-02012-9-mirage-111c--1252550 Instead of Mirage IIIC (Roman 3). Edited October 19, 2022 by AV O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Ah - now I see. Well, Airfix went save and used both Roman and Arabic numbers on that boxing 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basket Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 @billyharry2000, interestingly this Mirage IIIC became pilot's favorite after its repair at Dassault's facilities since its electric harness and several other stuff were changed and updated . As a consequence it became the more reliable bird among the fleet. 😎 One last word : check your PM . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitanian Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Was the lower surface natural metallic finish or was it painted with aluminum paint on aircraft in the blue-grey upper surface camouflage? Best wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basket Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lusitanian said: Was the lower surface natural metallic finish or was it painted with aluminum paint on aircraft in the blue-grey upper surface camouflage? Best wishes! Aluminum paint .😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Badger Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) For the blue there is Vallejo's "French Mirage Blue" (FS35164) #59 or 70.900 I used it for my Mirage F1C and it came out really well - even airbrushed OK For the Alu... if memory serves I undercoated the whole aircraft in gloss black then added white or Grey thinned down preshading on some panels (taped off) before spraying it all with Alclad Polished Alu I think Here's the R.F.I. for my F1C Edited November 1, 2022 by Flying Badger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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