exdraken Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 obviously the Reds have some pilot shortage.... https://theaviationist.com/2022/08/17/red-arrows-in-trouble/ does not read to well actually I spare you the daily mail article, although it reads basically the same..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Yikes. A PR disaster indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Interesting. If true then someone who is supposed to be in charge hasn't nipped it in the bud when it should have been. One never quite knows with journalism however. I did see the seven ship team perform at RIAT this year. The display seemed somewhat lacking tbh and I had attributed that to the limitations imposed by the seven ship formation. The sub par display IMHO (and I've had the privilege of watching them for some 50 years now) wasn't exactly helped by being followed later in the day by a truly stunning display from the South Korean Black Eagles. Unless socks are pulled up, if and where they need to be, I can see the bean counters rubbing hands and saying well "not value for money anymore so lets save a few ££££'s" and that is certainly not welcome. One saving grace is the Daily Mail have it that down way so its probably wrong then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 The Times reported much the same story yesterday and various individual elements of the story have been reported upon at different times during the course of the year so perhaps either someone is merely adding 1+1 to make 3 or someone has in fact broken ranks and spoken out. Don't know if there is much of a threat from 'bean counters' per se but the upper reaches of the RAF does seem to have an aversion to what it perceives as bad publicity as we might recall from 'I'm with stupid' and then again on a more practical level there might be some in authority who may be reminded of Sir Arthur Harris' concerns over elites within elites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I though that I heard, or read somewhere, that two of the pilots had been recalled back to their squadrons to fly missions there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B (Sc) Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 One pilot was withdrawn after allegations of personal misconduct. Another resigned from the team because of his view of the culture within the team. There are rumours of much unhappiness inside the team and I believe a report is being or has been written by someone at very high level, considering what to do about it. Sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Bring back the Blue Herons I say 💙....Im sure a Hawk will look nice in Navy Blue and go faster stripes...FLY NAVY .EAT CRAB....all in jest fellas 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 It’s back as lead front page story in todays issue of The Times. Surprised tbh what with everything else that’s going on but what do I know about what sells newspapers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, JohnT said: It’s back as lead front page story in todays issue of The Times. Surprised tbh what with everything else that’s going on but what do I know about what sells newspapers indeed: sorry, partly behind a paywall here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-arrows-engulfed-by-bullying-and-assault-row-wldnbp6zx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, exdraken said: indeed: sorry, partly behind a paywall here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-arrows-engulfed-by-bullying-and-assault-row-wldnbp6zx If you go to the BBC news web site and look at the section on whats in todays papers it enlarges enough to read whats on the front page - sneaky !!! then it continues on page 5. From what is on Page 1 it seems a re-hash of what has been said in the press earlier. I wonder why the prominent re-hash then ? Someone with an agenda and influence or an axe to grind maybe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Now on the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62664654 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B (Sc) Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 There does seem to something very wrong at the top of the Air Force as well as with the Red Arrows. The CAS is apparently preparing a report, but given that he seems to have already behaved in a very dubious manner (to say the least) with regard to a coroner's inquest into a Red Arrow's accident, I wouldn't hold out much hope of anything useful coming out of it. Morale in some quarters is taking nosedive. Very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, John B (Sc) said: There does seem to something very wrong at the top of the Air Force as well as with the Red Arrows. The CAS is apparently preparing a report, but given that he seems to have already behaved in a very dubious manner (to say the least) with regard to a coroner's inquest into a Red Arrow's accident, I wouldn't hold out much hope of anything useful coming out of it. Morale in some quarters is taking nosedive. Very sad. One pharse sums all this up ....and a lot of other scenarios....you only get out what you put in....obviously Id use other words but im the height of politeness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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