Battleship Bretagne - France - 3D realisation - 1:200 scale

[S-boat 55]

Stunning, a company out there should pay you heavily when you're finished to use your model to release a kit!

[arnobiz]

Magnifique, à proposer à des musées navals!

 

Arnaud

[Iceman 29]

Merci Arnaud et S-Boat.
 

I continue on the stern with the drawing of the fairleads, always a little complicated to draw those. 
 

The one on the side is used for the refloating according to the plan.

 

Addition of small details.

 

I found this very nice picture of the front that I did not have. It is very very interesting. I was missing the exact shape of the protection of the tube of the chain-lockers, I have it, I will be able to modify. 

 

You can see the 47mm gun on the turret too.

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

My favorite place is always the stern. There are a lot of small details to draw, 1/200 is better to make the ship credible.

A lot of work at home right now before winter, so less time to draw.

 

I drew the fresh air ventilation ducts at the foot of the C turret, not easy to draw, they follow the curve of the barbette, as well as the 340 mm shell supply hatches on the port side and the powder chutes on the starboard side.

 

The watertight door on the starboard side that leads into the Admiral's study. No door on the port side. Note that the Bretagne has fewer portholes on these bulkheads compared to other ships of the class.

 

The booms of the small cargo masts are stored on the bulkhead of this room on the port and starboard side.

 

I still have 2 hawser reels to draw and two fire hoses, which are fixed on the bulkhead, one can be seen near the barbette on the last picture.

 

There are steel plates along this bulkhead as well in the photos, maybe plates to close more efficiently the exhaust air ducts near the aft windlass, in combat or in heavy seas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bandsaw Steve]

That’s exquisite! 

[Iceman 29]

Mouthpiece of the battleship Provence ( Bretagne class ) .

"Semper paratus is a Latin locution meaning "always ready". It is the motto of various military corps, most often."

 

 

 

The coat of arms of the Battleship Bretagne:

 

 

The published images don't change much, yet it still has a few hours of drawings on the accessories and details of the stern and I am far from the account.

 

I will have these 2 aft service boats to draw. No precise plan. The davits are already in place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheBaron]

Apologies if you have already given this answer Pascal but will you be printing everything seen here or will some of it be rendered in brass?

 

(It continues to amaze..)

[Iceman 29]

Tks Monsieur Le Baron! 😉

 

May be some masts in brass.. Don't know yet.

 

Drawings of the Bullivant torpedo-protecting net outriggers, as well as the pass-through which allows the net to be placed and stowed along the ship's side and for the sailors to grasp it so that it is not carried away by the sea.

 

The notches in the pass allow the outriggers to stick to the wall of the ship.

 

The nets will be removed permanently after the first refit, the pass at the second.

 

 

 

 

Interesting photo from Provence, you can see the sailors deploying the net. They are walking on the pass, you can also see the devil’s claws along the hull to secure the net once at its sea station. This net must have been very heavy, a delicate operation. 

 

 

 

 

Here we see the passes pictured with their reinforcement leg.

 

 

Here materialized in the drawing:

 

 

 

 

[Brandy]

Presumably this net was only deployed while at anchor, I can't see it being very practical whilst at sea.

 

Ian

[Dave Swindell]

13 minutes ago, Brandy said:

Presumably this net was only deployed while at anchor, I can't see it being very practical whilst at sea.

 

Ian

You've not read your copy of Jane's "Battletrawlers of WWI" then?

[Iceman 29]

8 hours ago, Brandy said:

Presumably this net was only deployed while at anchor, I can't see it being very practical whilst at sea.

 

Ian

 

Indeed, like this:

 

IJN Mikasa

 

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/ijn/Mikasa-200-kk/index.htm

 

 

Adding a lot of time-consuming little details, fire hoses, cargo masts, spars, skylights in the officer's mess room, correct placement of portholes on the port bow, front doors for torpedo loading etc...

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

I have some canoes to draw..  😓

 

A friend provided me with a lot of original plans of the French Navy canoes. Thanks !  

 

For the others, I will improvise:

I found a very similar whaleboat plan on a website.

 

The whaleboat is shorter on the plan, so I raised the freeboard to be able to extend it only in the direction of the length of 20%, at the end of the drawing. I added a rudder.

 

This picture of Bretagne in Brest is very useful in this case. It allows me to measure the boat.

 

I will be able to move some portholes that are not in the right place also on the side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve D]

Nice whaler, remember there is a lot of stuff in a whaler, drop keel, rudder, oars, gratings, anchors, masts, release gear, sails etc., they are busy boats.  Also RN boats are clinker not carvel built, don't know about French ones

 

For interest, this is the last one I made (1/48th scale in papier-mâché  and card of course)

 

 

[Iceman 29]

Tks Steve, very nice typical whale boat, Athypical construction method 👍

[Iceman 29]

Not too advanced... I have work to do at home.

 

I have finished the whaleboat, it is 10 meter long.

 

I will start the other service boats. 

 

 

[beefy66]

Amazing stuff as usual there Pascal so much to take in from these drawings.

 

Stay Safe

beefy

[Bandsaw Steve]

What a great thread! 👍👍👍

[Iceman 29]

Tks Beefy, Steve. 
 

Beginning of a sketch of the front superstructure (1915).

 

The plans are not always easy to read and do not always correspond to the photos of the time (1915). Especially at the level of the front ventilation duct of the boiler room... 
 

 

[Iceman 29]

For your information, the scuttles with grills are the crew's toilets on this deck, it's a pretty big space.

 

The name given at the time is "Corneaux de l'équipage", a name I did not know. I had to search a little. 

 

http://saintgeorgesdedidonnehier.blogs.sudouest.fr/media/01/01/2696609394.pdf

 

Corneaux ( There is a spelling mistake in the dictionary):

 

Crew's toilet consisting of sloping troughs that flow into the pipes leading to the sea .

 

I guess this is what is represented by many small rectangles, I was wondering what it was. Hence a very good ventilation of the "places of ease".   

 

 

[Iceman 29]

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[Andreas.R]

I use original shipyard plans for my SMS FdG model, but these are only 2-dimensional (side view and top view),

with the side view only being one-sided, which makes things difficult with such an asymmetrical design! 

But if you work through the plans and photos, and then translate them into 3D, you get to know many small details

as if you had visited the real ship. It's not that comprehensive for me, since I only designed the superstructure and deck details..

It's a virtual tour of the ship!

[Iceman 29]

Indeed Andreas.

 

Today's progress on the design of the front superstructures and the second central deck, the bridge bunker.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Courageous]

This is really amazing work and she's looking fantastic. 

 

Stuart

[Iceman 29]

Tks Stuart, to be continued.. 😜

 

Work at home.. 

[Iceman 29]

Some domestic work is delaying me.

 

Some pictures to show the progress of this complex project, where before drawing, it is necessary to think and analyze well, to read the multitude of plans and pictures of this ship and the two others to decipher the reality of things as for this ship in 1916. 

 

In short, one can think of wasting time looking at a hundred photos in a loop and think that one is going to miss something. 

 

This is not the case, visual memory is important in the process of assimilation of the environment. It takes time to adapt to feel a little "at home". 

 

And everything falls into place little by little in spite of sketchy information sometimes, in particular on the superstructures badly documented for the blow in spite of the plans. 

 

The photos and the plans are complementary and rectify each other with respect to the reality at a certain moment.

 

I'm not talking again about the difference in the placement of elements between the original plans, chimneys, bridge, turrets. the waltz of compromises, I got used to.

 

I've been spending more time analyzing than drawing lately. But it's still fun.

 

The "railings/parapet " (inherited from the old sailboat) are present everywhere on this ship, here the word has another meaning, more used nowadays:

 

Internet portal "The Dictionary

n. (Navy) (Aged) A parapet that was formed around the upper deck of a ship, with the crew's hammocks, to protect against the enemy's musketry and small machine gun.
n. (Navy) Today, guardrail, parapet around the upper deck of a ship.
n. (Navy) Bulkhead where the crew's hammocks are placed during the day. It is mostly used in the plural to designate the whole of these caissons.
n. (By extension) (Navy) Wall of a ship.