Battleship Bretagne - France - 3D realisation - 1:200 scale

[Iceman 29]

I worked mainly on the back of the ship and its anti-torpedo nets. 

 

I had to order mesh in China, in fact, different sizes of mesh, so I could choose, here 120 in stainless steel, it's very thin, I think it would match the original mesh, it forms very well, especially. 

 

 

It remains to age it a bit, because it must have rusted a lot at the time. Stainless steel didn't really exist yet. It must have rotted the planking. 

 

These nets were taken out of the armament rather quickly around 1918, after the war.

 

I also have some small brackets to draw again, they help to keep the net along the hull, at the sea station.

 

 

The net booms are also in place. There will be a lot of work to fit them with their rigging. They will have to be aged again too.

 

There are different sizes of mesh and possible materials, stainless steel, brass. The 120 is 0.15 mm mesh for example.

 

Stainless steel:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000808291024.html

Brass:
https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001065795155.html

 

The rear deck is almost finished. The rigging of the spars and the railings remain to be installed, as well as the aft cutaways.

The deck plan is different on the battleships of this type, notably, the location and number of cloakrooms.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve D]

Those torpedo nets are a nightmare for modellers of WW1 vessels, well done. 👍

 

Be interested in the link to that netting

 

Cheers

 

Steve

[Iceman 29]

Yes Steve.. 😅

 

It's not too expensive ( 0,5 by 1 meter ).

[Andreas.R]

Not only for modellers, also for the crews on these ships! Germany has abandoned the nets after the battle of Jutland.

Yours have the right scale!

[Iceman 29]

Tks Andreas!

 

Details on the rigging of the Bullivan anti-torpedo nets.

 

Bretagne:

 

 

 

 

 

Lorraine:

 

 

 

 

Provence:

 

[robgizlu]

Every time I look in I gawp - (I've just looked up the translation of "to gawp" in Frecnh and google says it's the same????)

She is looking absolutely beautiful 

Rob

[Iceman 29]

Exactly Rob! 😜

 

Tks!

 

Nice Pictures:

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/nets.htm

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_net

 

 

"
First World War:

The sinking by torpedo of three Allied battleships during the 1915 Dardanelles Campaign, all with torpedo nets deployed, demonstrated that the increased speed of newer torpedoes and the tactic of firing several torpedoes at the same location on the target had made the torpedo net ineffective. Torpedo nets were superseded by the anti-torpedo bulge and torpedo belts.

 

Second World War:

 

Ship with deployed torpedo nets in the Second World War

Torpedo nets were revived in the Second World War. In January 1940 the UK Admiralty had the ocean liner Arandora Star fitted out with steel booms at Avonmouth and then ordered her to Portsmouth where she spent three months testing nets of various mesh sizes in the English Channel. The net successfully caught all the torpedoes fired at them and reduced the ship's speed by only 1 knot (1.9 km/h), but in March 1940 the nets were removed.[11] In July the unprotected Arandora Star was sunk by a torpedo, killing 805 people.

 

Booms and nets were fitted to a few ships in August 1941, and by the end of the Second World War they had been fitted to 700 ships. The nets did not protect the whole of a ship, but protected from 60 to 75 percent of each side. 21 ships so equipped were subject to torpedo attacks while the nets were deployed. 15 ships survived as the nets succeeded in protecting them. The other six were sunk because a torpedo either penetrated a net or hit an unprotected part of a ship.[11]

Nets protected ships at anchor, especially as obstacles against submarines, human torpedoes, and frogmen. They were also used to protect dams, and led to the development of bouncing bombs to defeat them, as in Operation Chastise."

 

Stowing torpedo nets on SMS Weissenburg in 1896.

Russian battleship Evstafi with torpedo nets deployed

 

Testing the Japanese battleship Yamashiro's torpedo net at Yokosuka in 1917

 

En route!:
Ship with deployed torpedo nets in the Second World War

 

[Steve D]

Great stuff Pascal

 

My most prized book in my collection of naval books is a 1911 copy of "Shipyard Practice as applied to Warship Construction" by Neil McDermaid.  I assume it was owned by a naval architect working on warship design in the years leading up to the first world war.  In addition to the hundreds of detailed illustrations it includes some of his own drawings, pasted in to some sections, all containing an Admiralty embossed mark, I assume approving the design.

 

In the chapter on torpedo defence, he has pasted this sketch

 

 

HMS Minotaur was a protected cruiser launched in 1906, survived Jutland and the war

 

 

Just sharing

 

Cheers

 

Steve

 

[Iceman 29]

Thanks for the information, Steve, the drawing is going to be very useful to me for the 3D drawing.

[Iceman 29]

A friend of mine unknowingly directed me to a software that is able to produce 3D figurines. So I started this afternoon. The big advantage of this software is the manipulation of body attitudes which is amazing and easy to understand. You just have to add a french bachi to this american sailor to make him a french one. At 1/200 and 1/100, it is credible.

 

I made the simplified bachi in Fusion360 and then imported it, the possibilities are endless, bag, shell, box, rifle, helmet, sitting, standing, walking etc., just move the members of the figure in the right position in a few clicks and seconds, a good free Swiss Army knife this Daz Studio. This will free me, I hope, to buy expensive figures because it takes a lot on a ship of this size.

 

https://www.daz3d.com/install-manager-info     

 

I filled the figure with the Hollow function of Chitubox with the grid sub-function. 

 

 

 

 

 

It printed very well, it's perfect.

 

I printed at 1/200 and 1/100, real size 1m75, the details are amazing, it will be even better when I print a test with the Photon Ultra I think.

I will be able to make a nice series in different postures and really adapted to the ship.

 

The sailor outfit is not in the default program, I bought the module on their online shop, for a small fee, I took the printing license as well.

 

https://www.daz3d.com/catalogsearch/result/?mature=true&q=naval+uniform

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is how it looks in print:

 

 

 

[Steve D]

9 hours ago, Iceman 29 said:

This will free me, I hope, to buy expensive figures because it takes a lot on a ship of this size.

Now that is very cool and exciting Pascal.  One for a wet afternoon once the current model is completed

 

Thanks

 

Steve

[Iceman 29]

I corrected the hand position during the salute which was not regulation for the French Navy. 

 

I almost got a slap on the wrist. Yet I did some salutes...

 

 

 

More like army soldiers, turn of the century?

 

https://www.daz3d.com/military-dress-uniform-for-genesis-3-male-s-and-genesis-2-male-s

 

 

This one is better for the cap and the rest, it can be used for NCOs and officers.

 

https://www.daz3d.com/army-general-uniform-expansion

 

 

Pilots:

 

 

https://www.daz3d.com/pilots-uniform-of-wwii

 

 

Soldiers:

 

https://www.daz3d.com/us-ww2-uniform-paratrooper-expansion

 

 

[robgizlu]

Wow!

Rob

[Iceman 29]

Some small progress, small details, gluing of decks, deck ladders, etc., the bridge is not yet glued.

 

Improved aging at the waterline. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

A batch of postures created this afternoon. I need to make another batch with figures with more stoutness.  🤔

 

 

 

 

[Courageous]

. Is there anything you're rubbish at...

 

Stuart

[Iceman 29]

Yes, cooking, for a Frenchman, it's a real pain. But my wife is very competent... 😜 😂

[Steve D]

2 minutes ago, Iceman 29 said:

But my wife is very competent..

Sounds like a keeper... 

[Iceman 29]

 I 'm also a good keeper, I take care of the mechanics and the tinkering. We complement each other! 😇

[Iceman 29]

I spent 2 days on the cables that hold the spars of the Bullivant starboard anti-torpedo net. I drew, printed, installed the front pulleys, and the supports of the net's sea station.

 

I had fun comparing the Bismarck and the Bretagne which are on the same scale. 20 years of evolution in design and shipbuilding techniques separate them.

 

 

 

251 m for the Bismarck, displacement 41,700 tons: 166 m for the Bretagne, 23,500 tons.

 

Bretagne:

 

Lorraine:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve D]

Great waterline weathering Pascal, overall its looking pretty awesome 

[Iceman 29]

Tks Steve ! 

 

Back to the drawing board.

 

I have started to draw the boats, thanks to those who provided me with plans. 

 

Not too many period photos of these boats in general. But if you look around, you can find some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 11mt steam launch to start with. It will be 55 mm long.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One day to get to this point, not bad. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

I didn't make too much progress today, I took advantage of the great weather to get some fresh air. 🌞

 

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

I drew the steam engine today and the rear benches. I've almost finished, no need to put much more detail. There are still the fenders to be placed on the planking, the hoops for the cover. 

 

There will be two such launches on the battleship, I may cover one with a half-top probably.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Iceman 29]

Drawing of the canvas awning.

 

 

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