Jon Bryon Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Hello all, I've started Kinetic's 1/48 F-84F Thunderstreak and the plan was to make this aircraft using Super Scale set 481275: This is an F-84F-35-RE 52-6500 pictured in 1957 (according to the decals) of the 509th FBS/405th FBG. I am already aware I need to cut down and reshape the tail and I will be replacing the nose with the Quickboost one. Here is a photo of an F-84F from the same production block: My question is simple: does 52-6500 at this time have the small keel or large drag chute housing under the rear fuselage? To me the photo is unclear. There's another picture in the 'F-84 Thunderjet in Action' book, but that's even less clear. I have spent hours on Google trying to resolve this without success. All photos of similarly marked F-84Fs I can find from the 405th FBG show the small housing under the rear fuselage (where visible). Having looked at countless F-84F images, it seems pretty clear to be that the presence of the large drag chute housing doesn't really correlate to block number, but unit/time of service. That is, it looks like all 405th aircraft didn't have the housing, and almost all ANG F-84Fs did (only very early ones seem to have it missing). Was it a retrofit item? I am leaning to towards 52-6500 having the larger housing just because what is visible in the photo shows a slightly concave shape to what's under the rear fuselage, but I'd love to be sure. Before I contemplate hacking off the lower rear fuselage and scratchbuilding the smaller ventral keel, does anyone have definitive evidence as to what the situation would have been with 52-6500? Many thanks for any help Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 52-6500 was assigned to the 405th straight from production (8 July 1954), and the photo dates from around that time period, when it would not have had the drag chute. Circa 1955, the 'U.S. AIR FORCE' script was painted on the fuselage, as seen in the second photo. Aircraft built to this standard were often retrofitted (at Farmingdale, IIRC) and so you will often find these machines fitted with drag chutes later in service. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Bryon Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: 52-6500 was assigned to the 405th straight from production (8 July 1954), and the photo dates from around that time period, when it would not have had the drag chute. Circa 1955, the 'U.S. AIR FORCE' script was painted on the fuselage, as seen in the second photo. Aircraft built to this standard were often retrofitted (at Farmingdale, IIRC) and so you will often find these machines fitted with drag chutes later in service. Thank you - this is super useful information. Do you know if the ventral keel was the same as for the F-84G? I'm wondering if I can get hold of a Tamiya or Revell kit that might help me towards back-dating the Kinetic kit in this area. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Good question. Certainly similar, but that's as far as I'd go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Bryon Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: Good question. Certainly similar, but that's as far as I'd go. Thanks. It might give me a good starting point if I can find a scrapped kit. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 @Jon Bryon if using the QB nose on the kinetic kit I found it needed a very thin card shim as its a tad smaller than the fuelasge. Otherwise the kinetic kit is great 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Re. the original tail bumper. I backdated the Revell/Monogram kit for a magazine article some years back and looking at the article this might help with the Kinetic kit which I believe has some similarities in the way that the parts are broken down. I removed the extended fairing from each fuselage half and the then to simplify reinstating the fuselage extended the gaps created into rectangular shaps to fill with plastic card. The shape of the original strake can be found in the plans included with Warpaint No.100 on the F/RF-84F and scaled up from 1/72 scale to what I calculated to be the 51mm length required in 1/48. From there I fixed a suitable length of 'U' section sprue onto a card plinth and , sanded to shape and scribed panel detail. If it will help I am sure that I have the images of this somewhere 'safe'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Bryon Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Des said: Re. the original tail bumper. I backdated the Revell/Monogram kit for a magazine article some years back and looking at the article this might help with the Kinetic kit which I believe has some similarities in the way that the parts are broken down. I removed the extended fairing from each fuselage half and the then to simplify reinstating the fuselage extended the gaps created into rectangular shaps to fill with plastic card. The shape of the original strake can be found in the plans included with Warpaint No.100 on the F/RF-84F and scaled up from 1/72 scale to what I calculated to be the 51mm length required in 1/48. From there I fixed a suitable length of 'U' section sprue onto a card plinth and , sanded to shape and scribed panel detail. If it will help I am sure that I have the images of this somewhere 'safe'. Hi Des, That sounds like a logical approach although I've started on a slightly different path using body filler. However, it's not working out that well and I haven't actually cut anything yet. If you have any photos to share I'd love to see how you did it. Kind regards Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Bryon Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 6:08 PM, Sabrejet said: 52-6500 was assigned to the 405th straight from production (8 July 1954), and the photo dates from around that time period, when it would not have had the drag chute. Circa 1955, the 'U.S. AIR FORCE' script was painted on the fuselage, as seen in the second photo. Aircraft built to this standard were often retrofitted (at Farmingdale, IIRC) and so you will often find these machines fitted with drag chutes later in service. I wonder if I can ask for your opinion on an RF-84F and the drag chute housing? I want to make 52-7366 from the 45th TRS (USAF) from around the 1955-1957 or so timeframe. This aircraft is on the 1/48 RF-84F sheet by Caracal with the polka dot markings. I can only find one photo of this aircraft that shows the rear fuselage, but it's small and blurry. I *think* it doesn't have the large drag chute housing, but can't be sure. I'd love it if it did since I could make this using the Tanmodel kit, but I'm pessimistic. Anyway, I'd love a second opinion: Many thanks Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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