Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 First I'm going to give you a link to a very interesting site, The Kent History Site. https://kenthistoryforum.com/index.php?topic=459.0 This will give you, probably, as much as you'll ever need to know about this lovely little ship, which seems to have led quite an exciting life. So, onto the model. It is going to take me so far out of my comfort zone, I just hope I can complete it. It certainly won't be a quick build. As you can see from the title, this kit is produced by Shipyard Models and what surprised me went I first saw it, is that it's a PAPER/CARD model and me getting it came about, primarily, from watching @Bertie McBoatface build his superb wooden ships. Now, I've always wanted to build a wooden model but the cost firstly of the model and then the extra tools etc I'd need, placed them out of reach. Then I saw these models which are around half the price of wooden ones and don't require a special tools. But enough of my jabbering here are some 'sprue' pictures, as you can see there is everything in the box apart from glue. Jon First the box And its contents. Some of the paint Even brushes Gun barrels and copper wire. The barrels used to be brass, but now I think are probably 3D printed or resin. Sails.Made from a very fine cloth. Unfortunately they are only printed on one side. Some of the parts. Some are on card and some on paper. There are few more, but I'll show those as the build progresses. So, that's about it, just need to stick it together. I've not seen a paper/card build on this forum, but I doubt I'm the first, so if anyone out there can offer any tips I will be forever in your debt. Right then, I'm off to read and try and understand the instructions, English translation of Polish is a bit vague at times. Jon P.S. One last thing. I'm trying to find a copy of this book The only copies I've been able to find have been given silly prices, more than the kit cost. If anyone knows where I can get a copy at a reasonable price, I will again be ion your debt. Jon 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I'm in to this one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I'm in to this one! You can watch me reduced to a jibbering wreck. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Faraway said: this book I've been using my faded bookseller skills (Ex-Waterstones) and the best deal I could find was £178. It's an Osprey publication and they rarely release a second edition because their potential market is limited to the enthusiastic modeller. This was published thirty years ago at £25 (sigh) and is now valued world wide at between 180 to 200 pounds. There's enough information in this series of books to scratchbuild a model with no further plans needed. I fear you will have to go without unless A Britmodeller has one that could be loaned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Exactly what I found, I guess they didn’t publish too many. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I'd be very interested to know what the print run was. I rather think they will have printed more of the later books in the series. The Vanguard model may have boosted the price. I dare say that people who can afford the price of the kit might be in the market for the book even at current prices. Vanguard are kind enough to make their instruction manual available gratis, and I suggest that as a useful reference. It's available at the foot of this page: https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/alert-order/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I'd be very interested to know what the print run was. I rather think they will have printed more of the later books in the series. The Vanguard model may have boosted the price. I dare say that people who can afford the price of the kit might be in the market for the book even at current prices. Vanguard are kind enough to make their instruction manual available gratis, and I suggest that as a useful reference. It's available at the foot of this page: https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/alert-order/ Thanks. I’ve found the Vanguards instructions, very useful. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 A small beginning, the stand. I make it to test the new glue, which is very good, and to see how things work. So onto the build proper this is the centre, keel I suppose. And the ribs. First of many A while later A deck which adds rigidity Stern And the first layer of the deck, the deck proper with printed planks goes on top. That's it for now, going to let the glue harden off. I have to say, all the parts come out of the sheets with great ease and fit together better than a lot of plastic kits. I think I could like this paper modelling See you soon. Jon 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 That looks like a perfect fit. Excellent start. I was going to ask about the glue. Is it nearer to pva type wood glue or CA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Gidday Jon, that didn't take long. I take it the ribs etc shown here are thick kit cards? Not paper stuck to boards you've added? And did you have to cut these parts out or are they pre-cut and you simply push them out from the main sheets? I apologize if these questions have been answered earlier. She has a nice hull shape already. Regards, Jeff. PS - I've just had another look at the opening photo - laser cut. Answers my last question. Regards again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I was going to ask about the glue. Is it nearer to pva type wood glue or CA? I think it a hybrid of CA/PVA, it’s odourless, very thin and is white with a strange blue hue, but it dries clear and very quickly. Forms a good bond so far as it doesn’t soak in too much, the card being very porous. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday Jon, that didn't take long. I take it the ribs etc shown here are thick kit cards? Not paper stuck to boards you've added? And did you have to cut these parts out or are they pre-cut and you simply push them out from the main sheets? I apologize if these questions have been answered earlier. She has a nice hull shape already. Regards, Jeff. PS - I've just had another look at the opening photo - laser cut. Answers my last question. Regards again. The shapes are held in the board by the tiniest of attachments, I am able to push out the parts on the thinner card and paper, but am going to play safe and cut the attachments, to avoid any danger of tearing the parts. Some of the parts are tiny, hard to believe it’s sheets of card and paper. The fit so far is superb. The only down side I’ve encountered so far, is that the instructions are a bit vague and sometimes show a part as fitted and then show how to fit it two or three stages further on. So I’m learning to look ahead. Jon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 55 minutes ago, Faraway said: the instructions are a bit vague and sometimes show a part as fitted and then show how to fit it two or three stages further on. Wood or card, the people who make the models do not make good instructions! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bertie McBoatface said: Wood or card, the people who make the models do not make good instructions! This has often been remarked upon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Faraway said: This has often been remarked upon. Especially by me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich75 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Great looking project 👌 have you seen the SD14 WIP on here? It's card model too I believe, but it's quite big... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Rich75 said: but it's quite big.. I don’t think BIG is a big enough word for it. Jon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 12 hours ago, Bertie McBoatface said: I've been using my faded bookseller skills (Ex-Waterstones) and the best deal I could find was £178. It's an Osprey publication and they rarely release a second edition because their potential market is limited to the enthusiastic modeller. This was published thirty years ago at £25 (sigh) and is now valued world wide at between 180 to 200 pounds. There's enough information in this series of books to scratchbuild a model with no further plans needed. I fear you will have to go without unless A Britmodeller has one that could be loaned. Inter-library Loan...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 this looks like an interesting build , never seen a card build before . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, steve5 said: this looks like an interesting build , never seen a card build before . Gidday, other than Kevin's SD14 I don't recall a card WIP either, only seen a few completed builds in the local show here from time to time. That I recall right now, anyway. This'll be interesting and educational. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 hours ago, steve5 said: this looks like an interesting build , never seen a card build before . 4 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday, other than Kevin's SD14 I don't recall a card WIP either, only seen a few completed builds in the local show here from time to time. That I recall right now, anyway. This'll be interesting and educational. Regards, Jeff. Nor me, let’s hope it goes to plan. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Killingholme said: Inter-library Loan...? That’s a good idea. I must be particularly dumb not to have thought of that. 🤪 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelholic Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Jon, Don't know if this sight could help you. https://www.libramar.net/news/anatomy_of_the_ship_series/1-0-43 Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraway Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Modelholic said: Jon, Don't know if this sight could help you. https://www.libramar.net/news/anatomy_of_the_ship_series/1-0-43 Tom Tom. Interesting site, but they want a monthly subscription. I’ve had a kind offer from a fellow BMer of a PDF file for the book, so I think I’m sorted. Shame this particular book is so expensive, perhaps for the next ship I build I’ll find the book first ? Jon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Faraway said: I’ve had a kind offer from a fellow BMer of a PDF file for the book, so I think I’m sorted. It’s a bit late in the day but I just found a copy for the ‘bargain’ price of £70. That’s not quite three times the original rrp. I searched “Alert 1777” missing out references to AOTS in the hope of finding a slightly unaware seller. I’d recommended that technique for anyone chasing an inflated priced rarity. That and daily searches. I’ll stop looking now. Well Jon, have you got the masts in yet? 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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