Black Knight Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Having a cuppa and a scone a thought came to me How many and how often did manufacturers re-use names for their products? Criteria; The name has to have been re-used by the same manufacturer, the same stable, thus all the 'Lightnings' are out No type 'nicknames' such Emil or Gustav for German types E and G No derivatives such as 'Lancastrian' Used on a totally different type, thus no mark 1, 2 et cetera of the same type, but some exceptions* To start; Most of us are familiar with Westland Whirlwind - WW2 fighter and helicopter Then there is the Westland Wessex name - a 1930s 3-engined airliner and a helicopter de Havilland; Comet, the DH 88 racer and DH 106 airliner Hawker; Harrier VTOL and the Harrier of 1927 Nimrod, 1930s biplane and the DH Comet derivative (Hawker Siddeley, almost same stable) Skoda cars has re-used the names Felicia and Estelle* a few times Can you add to the list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malpaso Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Triumph had Dolomites pre-war and in 70s Vought runs through Corsair biplane, WW2 Corsair and Vietnam Era A-7 Corsair (aka Corsair 2 which makes no sense as it was the third type of the name!) The famous wartime Spitfire is the second type to use the name as the Type 224 was briefly named such. P-38 Lightning and F-35 Lightning meet your criteria? Alfa have reused Giulia on quite different generations Toyota notoriously claim Corolla as the worlds best selling car even though the various generations are massively different Which brings us to VW and two eras of Beetle (can’t remember if gen 2 was called Bug in the US?) Mini reused by BMW and there is a continuity of company (just) from real Mini Ford Mustang Dodge 300, Charger and Challenger names have been resurrected All the different Mirages? Riley Elf’s Riley One point Fives? MG Midget and Magnette were both used pre- and post-war for very different models - to be honest there’s a whole tranche of suspects in the sorry badge engineering of BL and it’s constituent predecessors I suspect there must be hundreds of examples, any company with a “winning” name tends to reuse it for “reflected glory”. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 This smells like a Group Build to me. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeronut22 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 AVRO 561 and AVRO 780 Andover AVRO 533 and AVRO 679 Manchester 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnl42 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, malpaso said: I suspect there must be hundreds of examples, any company with a “winning” name tends to reuse it for “reflected glory”. Very much the case. In addition to the Lockheed P-38 Lightning and Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning, the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt and Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II are prime examples of that. Stretching the concept, but perhaps a good inclusion for an 'Eponymous GB' are ships. Discussions of FFG-58 SAMUEL B ROBERTS often include references to DE-413 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) HMS Alert was the name given to various types of ships commissioned in 1753, 1777, 1779 (twice), 1790, 1793, 1795, 1804, 1813, 1835, 1848, 1856, 1894, and 1945. As well as several 'hired armed vessels' of that name. That's a group build all of its own. Edited July 16, 2022 by Bertie McBoatface apostrophe catastrophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treker_ed Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Hawker Fury (1930's biplane) Hawker Fury / Sea Fury (Late 1940's Monoplane Fighter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 The Soviets re-used designations: Su-7 - 1940's early jet fighter and 1960's fighter-bomber. Su-9 - 1940's early jet fighter and 1960's fighter/interceptor. Tu-12 - first designation of the Tu-70 (a transport derivative of the Tu-4 bomber) and was also used for the jet-engined development of the Tu-2 tactical bomber. I sometimes wonder if the Soviets did it purposefully to confuse Western observers. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 There's a need to distinguish between manufacturer's own designations and the official Air Force ones. The wartime Su.7 mixed-power plant fighter was a revamp of their unsuccessful Su.6 Sturmovik, and was not adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasermonkey Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 How about the Phantom I (McDonnell) and Phantom II (McDonnell Douglas)? Curtiss had their Hawk biplane and Monoplane fighters, same with the Helldiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 9 hours ago, malpaso said: Vought runs through Corsair biplane, WW2 Corsair and Vietnam Era A-7 Corsair (aka Corsair 2 which makes no sense as it was the third type of the name!) Weren't there four Corsairs? I think the 1920s O2U and 1930s SBU were different aircraft. So really the A-7 should have been the Corsair 4. Whoever came up with Corsair 2 had a short memory! The C-17 is the Globemaster III after the C-74 and C-124. And two Tiger Moths (DH.71 and DH.82, completely different aircraft and only four years apart). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 DH 88 Comet Racer in 1934 and DH 106 Comet 1949 Hawker Tempest and hopefully BAe Tempest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Many car manufacturers love to keep the same name while changing the car, see how VW Golf has used the name Golf for 8 different generations. The same company has done the same with many other cars and so have done Ford and most Japanese manufacturers. More interesting are maybe those names that reappeared after several years. Alfa used the name Giulietta 3 times, first in the mid '50s, then in the mid '70s and latest in 2010. Fiat is one company that usually prefer using new names (the Panda is an exception) yet they have reused older names a few times: the 2005 Croma had nothing to do with the previous one and same with the current Tipo. Another "name" recently resurrected has been 124 for their Mazda based 2-seater. Even Ferrari has reused names: the '70s Mondial took the name from a '50s car designed for racing. The Testarossa on the other hand was only inspired in name by an older racing car but this was not officially known as such. With Ferrari traditional way of designating cars there were also several that featured the same numbers while being very different cars, however I would not consider this as reusing a name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ian- Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) Vauxhall's re-use of the Viva name is an odd one, the original being a rather dull 70s family car. Edited July 17, 2022 by -Ian- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Gordon Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, -Ian- said: Vauxhall's re-use of the Viva name is an odd one, the original being a rather dull 70s family car. How dull? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince1159 Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) Just read BK's rules... Edited July 17, 2022 by Vince1159 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ian- Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, Alex Gordon said: How dull? Not the image which pops into my mind, when I hear Vauxhall Viva I think of something more like this, very popular with the teachers at my school in the 80s 😅 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 We'll not get bogged down by the 'rules' Its just a bit of a lark., a bit of fun to see what we can come up with or find Like Pete and Dud and their 2 men in a pub conversations On 16/07/2022 at 16:00, Bertie McBoatface said: This smells like a Group Build to me. 23 hours ago, Bertie McBoatface said: HMS Alert . . . That's a group build all of its own. Will ya knock it off with the Group Builds waves Moriarty! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Black Knight said: We'll not get bogged down by the 'rules' Its just a bit of a lark., a bit of fun to see what we can come up with or find Like Pete and Dud and their 2 men in a pub conversations Will ya stop with the Group Builds waves Moriarty! I believe that seed may have fallen on fruitful ground... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Lotus Elan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 ... and the many American vessels (Navy, NASA and Starfleet !) called 'Enterprise' ..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Lockheed reused the "Electra" name across at least four aircraft: Model 10 Electra Model 12 Electra Junior Model 14 Super Electra L-188 Electra Boeing used 'Stratotanker" for both the KC-97 and KC-135 tankers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Another Italian car name just came to my mind: the Maserati Ghibli. First was the late '60s coupe/spider. Then came the Biturbo based model of the early '80s. Latest is the current 4-door saloon. Three totally unrelated models and very different from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 As well as all those Hawks, Curtiss built three Shrikes, all basically light bombers. And Marcel Dassault went through a phase of wanting to call everything a Mystère. Even the very first Mirage was originally the Mystère-Mirage or similar - and then, of course, while there were all those Mirage fighters, his first executive jet was the Mystère 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 2:56 PM, Black Knight said: Skoda cars has re-used the names Felicia and Estelle* a few times AFAIK the "Estelle" moniker only applied to the UK market Š105, 120 and 130 saloons. Story goes that, much like Mercedes, it was renamed after a manager's daughter... Favorit, Felicia, Octavia, Superb and Rapid have been reused 2 or 3 times since the 1930s. IanJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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