Mjwomack Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2nd thread to start in the GB, so aiming from 2nd to last at the finish line! Way back when, I had one of the Airfix sailing ships with vac form sails; suffice to say it took me years to pluck up courage to try a vac-form again! Always thought sailing ships were exotic though with rigging thread, those vac-form sails etc But this build isn't about things in my past other than my sister who is obsessed with all things Pilgrim Fathers, so I figure this can be her Christmas present... She won't mind that it dates from 1966, and is crude by modern standards. Enough background, let's get to the box A solid, if flimsy box. This being the commemorative gift set, it's more than a plastic kit! There's a commemorative poster, that's to say a bigger version of the box art, an intriguing choice of paints, a one size fits all paint brush and (actually useful) some cement Some aged parts And the instructions, which look pretty reasonable Another week of sprue fondling and we'll be setting sail on a voyage of discovery 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Great choice Mj,can you recall the 60's boxing with the Pilgrim father's in the foreground? One of the best ship box art ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepboy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Looking forward to this....I have the same kit bought for the dull lockdown days that I didn't have as I worked through, so can't wait to see how it should be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jeepboy said: Looking forward to this....I have the same kit bought for the dull lockdown days that I didn't have as I worked through, so can't wait to see how it should be done. Full disclosure, but I'm the wrong person if you want to 'see how it should be done'. Look on me more mistakes to avoid! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Welcome aboard with a second build, yes you have to love the classic box-scale of the classic kits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Welcome aboard with a second build, yes you have to love the classic box-scale of the classic kits. It seems all the odder when 1:87 would have made it HO for model railroads and who wouldn't want the Mayflower in the harbour of their layout?!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, stevej60 said: Great choice Mj,can you recall the 60's boxing with the Pilgrim father's in the foreground? One of the best ship box art ever. Now that would have made a decent poster, hasten to point out that I"m past the age of selotaping box tops to my bedroom wall! There again, second childhood and all that, it might happen soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/20/2022 at 7:29 AM, Mjwomack said: Another week of sprue fondling and we'll be setting sail on a voyage of discovery I have the same Kit (though boxing might be slightly different - will need to check) I brought this one to build at some point, as I am (through Mother), a direct descendant of some of the Mayflower Pilgrims. The Allerton's and (from memory the Brewster's too) Mayflower Passenger List Look forward to your build progress, to see how you get along (read pointers ). I haven't built a Sailing Ship in eons Regards Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, LDSModeller said: I have the same Kit (though boxing might be slightly different - will need to check) I brought this one to build at some point, as I am (through Mother), a direct descendant of some of the Mayflower Pilgrims. The Allerton's and (from memory the Brewster's too) Mayflower Passenger List Look forward to your build progress, to see how you get along (read pointers ). I haven't built a Sailing Ship in eons Regards Alan The boxing could well be different, but according to Scalemates the parts have never changed, and I'm more than sure they're right about that- looking forward to doing something with the crew members! I will try to produce something fitting in honour of your ancestors. As for sailing ship kits- there's 3 moored in the harbour of this GB waiting to cast off already, so I say go buy one (I can't save the global economy all on my own) and get on board- the water's lovely for a sail! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Mjwomack said: 3 moored in the harbour of this GB waiting to cast off already 30 minutes ago, Mjwomack said: I will try to produce something fitting in honour of your ancestors. Thank you for your kind comment about honouring my ancestors I have at least 3-4 Sailing ships in the stash but are either Airfix or Heller, or the Mayflower, but since you are building the Mayflower, that Honour is all yours 👍 I shall see what I might find? (though for starters it may have to be wingy thing - probably need to ask the GB mods permission first though eh?) Thanks/regards Alan Edited June 21, 2022 by LDSModeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, LDSModeller said: probably need to ask the GB mods permission first though eh?) Nope just go ahead and start a thread, provided its a Revellogram kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliffB Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I hear that trained spiders can be quite handy for the rigging 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 20/06/2022 at 07:49, Mjwomack said: Now that would have made a decent poster, hasten to point out that I"m past the age of selotaping box tops to my bedroom wall! There again, second childhood and all that, it might happen soon. Will you have to take the poster of the lady tennis player scratching her bottom down to make room for it ? Best of luck. Cheers Pat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 2, 2022 Author Share Posted July 2, 2022 I've read the instructions three times ( personal best) and might pluck up courage to start soon. Lots of conceptual problems at the moment which must mean I'm overthinking it! The truth is nobody knows what the original was like except is was a merchant ship- Revell's model is based on the Mayflower II 'reproduction', which the ship's architect for, never claimed a great deal of accuracy as he had no original sources as such, and tweaked the below decks headroom. Then how much paint to splash around? Personally I'd not go for the 'factory fresh' look, but it's not for me but my sister so I'll probably go for 'crisp' but matt colours on all the decoration. And finally the rigging? Mindful that my downfall is always over-stretching myself, I'll probably go for the simple option and save my eyes unless it looks too toy-like. That though is a long-way off. Perhaps I should stop thinking and run the bath.. ready to give everything a good rinse, get some primer on and some brown rattle can and take it from there. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxman Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Good luck with it - gotta start somewhere, and it'll come together sooner than you think hopefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 6:42 PM, Mjwomack said: I've read the instructions three times ( personal best) and might pluck up courage to start soon. Lots of conceptual problems at the moment which must mean I'm overthinking it! Gidday, if I read instructions three times I'd probably come up with four ways of doing things - quite confusing. 🤪 As nobody knows exactly what this ship looked like then nobody can say you're wrong about anything. (Well they can, but they'd be wrong. 😁) Do her as you see fit and remember rule no. 1 - enjoy yourself. Looking forward to seeing her come together. Regards, Jeff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Well I've made a start on some sub assemblies, which meant that after all that reading of the instructions I actually started at stage 32🤷 So much flash to remove that it's like the plastic of a second kit in there Nothing worth a photo yet, maybe a group portrait by the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Are you sure that it's not a vacform kit rather than an excess of flash ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, JOCKNEY said: Are you sure that it's not a vacform kit rather than an excess of flash ? This must be where I've gone wrong. Got it the wrong way round and the sails aren't vacform at all; that's the injection plastic with excess flash Thanks for clearing that up Edited July 7, 2022 by Mjwomack Revised typos 😁 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 I think a classic kit build is best approached for the nostalgia! I can't say I'm enjoying this as much as the Airacobra (and not just because this is for my sister). The instructions are vague in crucial places, such as detail on mast assembly, with the result that despite pouring over them I've built it back to front (other phrases are available) Now, do I do the main mast wrong as well and be consistent or get one of them the right way round? I'm siding towards consistently wrong. Plenty of sub-assemblies now done- pages of them isn't an understatement This is the bit that hasn't been fun as they are not in what I call 'real' plastic but in that curious polythene that Airfix soldiers used to come in; very hard to work with when there's so much cleaning up required. By way of light relief, I've been looking at the dates on this kit... Mould from 1966, self-adhesive pennant sheet from 2013 and instructions are 2020. I think the instructions are the weakest part, do wonder if it's counter productive for a company to keep repopping such an old mould, especially with weak instructions as I can see a new modeller (especially if they hadn't willingly signed up for a classic GB) being very disheartened by this package? Me, I just keep reminding myself that my sister will by thrilled! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Very sorry to hear about the issue’s, I do hope she gets built. Im sure your sister will enjoy any gift from a caring brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Mjwomack said: (other phrases are available) I can imagine! 1955 - blimey this one really is a classic. Best of luck with this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Gidday @Mjwomack, are the yards removable without too much grief? If so, then possibly remove them, turn the mast assembly around then re-attach the yards. Now that you know there's an error I think you could regret it if you don't at least give it a go. Your decision of course. If it's any consolation I once glued the entire shelterdeck of my first Prinz Eugen back-to-front. Fortunately I realized it before the glue set. HTH. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 22 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday @Mjwomack, are the yards removable without too much grief? If so, then possibly remove them, turn the mast assembly around then re-attach the yards. Now that you know there's an error I think you could regret it if you don't at least give it a go. Your decision of course. If it's any consolation I once glued the entire shelterdeck of my first Prinz Eugen back-to-front. Fortunately I realized it before the glue set. HTH. Regards, Jeff. Gidday @ArnoldAmbrose, thyat was my first thought; the yards are connected (fixed would be an overstatement!) to the mast by a simple semi-circle so you can put the completely out of kilter. Alas though the first section of the mast assembly is firmly fixed to the middle portion and is they are directional due. Imperfection it'll be methinks. At the moment I need a trip to LHS for some brown rattle can. Plenty more sub-assemblies to go in the meantime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjwomack Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 When your nearest LMS specialises in model railways, the paint choices can be left field out of necessity! In this case, the woodwork has been treated to Railmatch sleeper grime, seems to do the job, maybe a wash of underframe grime later, time will tell. The sails however are matt white with BR grey sprayed over the top which doesn't look too bad. The mojo is up, and aside from a weekend full of work there could be more progress soon. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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