Looking for Luftwaffe He-111 and Ju-88 Specialist advice

[RAGATIGER]

/Hi there

 

Well I been having on the stash some Hasegawa Heinkel  He-111 and recently a Junkers Ju88A  in wonderfull 1/72 scale (I normally do post WWII jet aircraft mostly single seaters of fighters adn figther-bombers)

 

So after seeing some Youtube build ups I have some existencialist questions regarding 

 

If I use external racks for Heinkel He111 do I steel need to put the interior bombs assembly (for the 250 pounds bombs) or leave them out? 

 

the interior color of the main wheel bays on both bombers is that different from the interior color or the same as the exterior color? 

 

The interior of the glass frames suposed to be same color of the interior so thats RML66 

 

Regarding both kinds of bombers as the models don't include bulkheads for the tail wheel interior 

 

Regards

 

Armando

[Graham Boak]

I'm not a specialist on the type, but as I recall, the external bomb racks on the Heinkel were fitted over the bombbay doors, at least for the heavier bombs.  In this case there'd be no need to model any small bombs themselves, but I suspect that the external racks could be removable so the internal cells would remain.  Otherwise the aircraft would be severely limited in operational flexibility.  This might not matter if only a small handful of aircraft had this fit in any unit.

 

Given that these larger bombs were often used for night operations, I suspect the windows in this area would have been painted over so the presence or absence of the internal cells would not be visible on the model.

[brewerjerry]

Hi

    I am away from my notes, but i seem to recall some HE-111 with the external racks

    had a Rüstsatz that fitted fuel tanks in the empty space in the internal bombay 

     cheers

       jerry

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/heinkel-he-111-h-3-h-6-h-16-bombloads.36445/

 

 

Edited June 16, 2022 by brewerjerry

[fishplanebeer]

I think, and I may be wrong, but when the He111 had an external bomb fairing to carry either the 500 or 1000kg bomb on the port underside the bomb cells above were removed and an additional fuel tank fitted as evidenced by a fuel filler cap high up on the fuselage just behind the port side glazing. The starboard side carried the usual internal bomb load of 250kg bombs.

 

HTH.

 

Regards

Colin.

[RAGATIGER]

44 minutes ago, brewerjerry said:

Hi

    I am away from my notes, but i seem to recall some HE-111 with the external racks

    had a Rüstsatz that fitted fuel tanks in the empty space in the internal bombay 

     cheers

       jerry

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/heinkel-he-111-h-3-h-6-h-16-bombloads.36445/

 

 

1000 Thanks Jerry 

 

That's what I was thinking? if I don't keep the bomb assembly then its going to look a

weird empty

[brewerjerry]

Hi

    link down the page is a drawing for the fuel tanks locations 

 

https://sites.google.com/site/he111handbook/fueltanks

 

 cheers J 

Edited June 16, 2022 by brewerjerry

[fishplanebeer]

During the BoB and early Blitz period the He111 would carry a variety of bomb configurations, from the standard 8 x 250kg bombs in the internal cells (4 each side) to just having two plastic bomb carriers, one reach side, which could carry the 500 and 1000kg bomb on each one. Obviously when the external carriers were fitted the above bomb cells were redundant as they couldn't be opened so often the space was used to carry extra fuel. In addition aircraft could have just one plastic bomb carrier fitted, often on the port side, so the bomb load would then be 4 x 250kg bombs plus the single 500 of 1000kg device.

 

HTH.

 

Regards

Colin.

[dov]

Hallo 

To add:

BoB Heinkels or later? This question must be answered, otherwise you get in the wrong lane.

BoB: Interior RLM 02. As well Heinkel as Dornier. Also Messerschmitt 109 E-4. Here 66 was partitially used for the dash board and some other devices. Mixed colors interior.  Junkers came already in RLM 66. The shade of early 66 is not so dark! Lighten it  From latest sources from Germany. 

Bomb racks internal for BoB Heinkel. The plastc exterior racks were later on.

In later raids of 1941 onward the interior changed to RLM 66.

Maybe of some help.

Happy modelling 

[Graham Boak]

One thing niggling me - "plastic" bomb carriers?  I'd like to know more, but surely only a plastic (of some kind) fairing, for those bombs required a fairly heavy duty carrier, mounted onto a fairly hefty piece of structure.

[fishplanebeer]

I think the fairing was a form of plastic which covered the more substantial metal hooks underneath, at least this is how it is described in all the references I have.

 

BTW I have pics of a BoB period Heinkel carrying and dropping a large external bomb, either 500 or 1000kg, so these were definitely being used at this time and were not just a later addition for the 'Blitz' period and there after.

 

HTH.

 

Regards

Colin.

[fishplanebeer]

Just to add that the carrying of a single 500 or 1000kg bomb during the BoB was uncommon so if you want a mainstream aircraft then best to leave the bomb fairing off unless you have a photo(s) to show it installed in your chosen subject.

 

Regards

Colin.

Edited June 19, 2022 by fishplanebeer

[bil]

Some of the external racks were designated PVC 1006B; this didn’t mean they were made of polyvinyl chloride.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by bil
edited to full designation 

[Hook]

On 6/19/2022 at 6:44 PM, bil said:

Some of the external racks were designated PVC 1006B; this didn’t mean they were made of polyvinyl chloride.

That's the good ol' German Gründlichkeit for ya, as well as their preference for combined words a mile long.   

 

PVC = Pulverelektrische Vertikalaufhängung für cylindrische Außenlasten (or, "powder-electric vertical suspension for cylindrical external loads)".  There was also the ETC, or Elektrischer Träger für cylindrische Außenlasten ("electrical trigger for cylindrical external loads".

 

Cheers,

 

Andre