binbrook87 Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) I'm just reading F-4 Phantom by Tim Mclleland (some phabulous photos in there) and interestingly in there they refer to FS34064 as the dark green used on an F-4C in SEA camo during 1976. This is the first time I've heard of this shade rather than the FS34079 which I thought was the norm? Would / could this also explain the differences seen? Edited July 18, 2022 by binbrook87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I love this stuff, the mysteries never end do they? it might help to note some of the manufacturers were working to their own colour plans too. I made a Shorts C-23A Sherpa from scratch after taking a whole roll of photographs of it at Fairford This is a photo that made me stop and think during the painting process, I tested all the greens in my collection, greys too and set about painting the model to match the photo, which was when I noticed the dark green panel on the door and emergency escape doors. It became obvious that the factory interpretation of Europe 1 scheme was somewhat different to the USAF stores department's version. The airframe had lots of the darkest green areas touched up in service with a totally different colour which matches other Europe 1 schemes in service A shot of my colour board during the paint job shows it. No wonder I love these threads. I present you "Three greens and a gray" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbrook87 Posted July 18, 2022 Author Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, perdu said: I love this stuff, the mysteries never end do they? it might help to note some of the manufacturers were working to their own colour plans too. I made a Shorts C-23A Sherpa from scratch after taking a whole roll of photographs of it at Fairford This is a photo that made me stop and think during the painting process, I tested all the greens in my collection, greys too and set about painting the model to match the photo, which was when I noticed the dark green panel on the door and emergency escape doors. It became obvious that the factory interpretation of European 1 scheme was somewhat different to the USAF stores department's version. The airframe had lots of the darkest green areas touched up in service with a totally different colour which matches other European 1 schemes in service A shot of my colour board during the paint job shows it. No wonder I love these threads. I present you "Three greens and a gray" That's great! I do remember the C-23 in 'Euro 1' and how different they were. The C-141, C-130 and C-5 all had similar variations in the greens from a 'Kermit' to almost black. I think it was supposed to be FS34092 which was a bright green (like the door on the Sherpa) but looks like they used something completely different. Edited July 18, 2022 by binbrook87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Here is one in 3 shades of green and 2 shade of tan: Jari 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfighter Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) I remember visiting Lakenheath back in the days when they were operating F-111F's and they were having an exercise with about 10 airplanes taking off one after the other. Most were in the " Normal" Vietnam camo, but one aircraft has substituted the usual green 34079 with what can best be described as like Luftwaffe schwartzgrun !so stood out like a sore thumb ! I guess this proves the exception to the rule 🙂 Edited July 18, 2022 by Starfighter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trenton guy Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 4:43 PM, Finn said: Here is one in 3 shades of green and 2 shade of tan: Jari Can see three shades of green, one appearing to be a fresh coat of the lighter green. Can only see one tan. In any event, that’s the way the looked at Pleiku AFB in 1968. Quite different from most “authentic colors”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbrook87 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 18/07/2022 at 21:43, Finn said: Here is one in 3 shades of green and 2 shade of tan: Jari I love the operspray on the nose cone. This would make a great modelling subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Came across this link on Hyperscale earlier in the week to a 212 page PDF download for Fundekals latest release of full factory stencilling for a variety of F-4 variants which includes several pages of information and illustrations of SEA camo and its durability when applied to the Phantom . . . . . https://fundekals.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FD48038-Inst.pdf 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbrook87 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Des said: Came across this link on Hyperscale earlier in the week to a 212 page PDF download for Fundekals latest release of full factory stencilling for a variety of F-4 variants which includes several pages of information and illustrations of SEA camo and its durability when applied to the Phantom . . . . . https://fundekals.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FD48038-Inst.pdf Wow! Now that is a work of art, such amazing attention to detail and fascinating info on the SEA camo schemes. Thank you 👍 Edited July 20, 2022 by binbrook87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 20 hours ago, Des said: Came across this link on Hyperscale earlier in the week to a 212 page PDF download for Fundekals latest release of full factory stencilling for a variety of F-4 variants which includes several pages of information and illustrations of SEA camo and its durability when applied to the Phantom . . . . . https://fundekals.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FD48038-Inst.pdf Downloaded - that looks impressive! Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 Depending on the aircraft, we may be forgetting one crucial 'colour': crud! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 A favorite subject of mine. I'm currently building this one in 32nd, How many different colors do you see here? Also note the grey "last three" on the tail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbrook87 Posted July 23, 2022 Author Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, 11bravo said: A favorite subject of mine. I'm currently building this one in 32nd, How many different colors do you see here? Also note the grey "last three" on the tail. That's a great subject....plenty of mix n match on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 6:13 PM, perdu said: I present you "Three greens and a gray" And a patch of brown (lower left pic in the corner) And for SEA schemes: there's the sickly puke-green discoloured tan as variable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 I think the brown was where the printed photograph had a small splosh of chemical n it. The other right side shots don't show the same (dis)colouration. These pictures had been developed and kept in the envelope for thirty years before I placed them on the build's colour board. But it is a nice brown innit? 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) There's always a spiffy, recently-repainted bird... Edited July 29, 2022 by Blimpyboy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny J Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 10:00 PM, Des said: Came across this link on Hyperscale earlier in the week to a 212 page PDF download for Fundekals latest release of full factory stencilling for a variety of F-4 variants which includes several pages of information and illustrations of SEA camo and its durability when applied to the Phantom . . . . . https://fundekals.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/FD48038-Inst.pdf Wow - thanks for sharing this, it's an amazing piece of research. Having just completed an Eduard USN Phantom with full stencil set, I did wonder what they were all for, how they were applied, WHY there were applied, and how many of them would have been painted over during maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Mike Sierra Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 20/07/2022 at 23:00, Des said: 212 page PDF Great stuff! Would probably qualify as a doctoral dissertation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 7/29/2022 at 12:18 PM, Blimpyboy said: There's always a spiffy, recently-repainted bird... Nice! I wonder if the Tan is FS30400 instead of FS30219, like on the F-102. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitanian Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Hook said: Nice! I wonder if the Tan is FS30400 instead of FS30219, like on the F-102. Cheers, Andre Hi Andre It does not seem likely. The Vietnam tan shade was seen in a rainbow of different colors over the years. All of the USAF technical orders demand FS 30219 and none of the copies in my library say anything about FS 30400 except for the ‘Asia Minor’ camouflage found on exported aircraft in Iran. I think the Vietnam tan is probably the most highly variable color the USAF has ever used. Best wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Cant photoshop tell you? You load a control colour/s into it and tell it if this is red, white, blue (national insignia markings) this is yellow (live bomb marking) then what colour is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitanian Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) Unfortunately, even the mighty Photoshop is not god-like! Photoshop does not contain reference for the American FS595 color. It is only with historical research when you can determine the color. I recently discovered the Fündekals F-4 Phantom ‘factory stencils’ decal and the amazing 212 pages long PDF instruction book accompanying to it. It has a lot of excellent information. My bank account and my wife are not happy! Best wishes! Edited August 5, 2022 by Lusitanian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 On 8/4/2022 at 3:54 AM, Sierra Mike Sierra said: Great stuff! Would probably qualify as a doctoral dissertation. If you are a fanatic on those early F-4's, I'd also highly recommend Fundekals Wolfpack decal set for early "Operation Bolo" Phantoms. An amazing amount of info on these jets is crammed into the instructions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitanian Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 15 hours ago, 11bravo said: If you are a fanatic on those early F-4's, I'd also highly recommend Fundekals Wolfpack decal set for early "Operation Bolo" Phantoms. An amazing amount of info on these jets is crammed into the instructions. That is another reason for my wife's unhappy mood! Best wishes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix673 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Fascinating read...just wondering how the colour variations relate to Belgian F104's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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