spitfire Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Here's more charts that I aquired from the web while in my French building theme. Cheers Dennis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 The plot thickens. All those colours. That sienna does not look "raw" at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 Which one did you build, Colin? Nº302 or Nº397? I have been bothering everyone around with these machines. And when I started finally believing that they could have indeed been Chamois, the new unknown color pops up and messes it all up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckw Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Milos Gazdic said: Which one did you build, Colin? Nº302 or Nº397? 397 Cheers Colin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Sorry to say, but I fear that the landing gear doors of the model have been exchanged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 yes. port to starboard & vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 Hello Dennis, Two charts you have posted above are basically two different scans of the same chart published in this book: written by Christian-Jacques Ehrengardt. I will have to read through the book but I have only French version, not English so it's gonna take time for me to scan & translate it... but CJE does mention Sahara Yellow! Could that be an answer for Nº302 & Nº397 camouflage? He also seem to show Nº397 in the book in different color 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 I have got in touch with Bob Migliardi from Iliad Design after ordering things from his website. He was kind to share some things with me, among them there was a "L'aviation française 1940-1945. Carnet des Teintes" color card. I am waiting for him for the reply but these ABT chips are similar in age (same company making them) like the ones posted by Dennis, on Monday, but they seem to contain two colors that are yellowish too. Text is not easy to read due to the super small resolution of the image but if I enlarge a bit, and sharpen in photoshop a lot, I can read under the one in 2nd column, 6th row "• jaune sahara ???". I am not 100% but it seems like that... which could further confirm the existence of such color to ignorant me. Waiting for Bob's reply on some of my questions but as I've understood this is the only image he has of these charts... so anyone out there with better scans maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 It's amazing what turns up when you start looking, also found these. From here http://memorial.flight.free.fr/index.html Cheers Dennis 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 Wow! And imagine having access to that little booklet posted in the middle of your post Wouldn't that be incredible? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Milos Gazdic said: Wow! And imagine having access to that little booklet posted in the middle of your post Wouldn't that be incredible? Sure would, it's a shame I could not find more about it. Cheers Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Aereo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 AFAIK Jaune Sahara was supposed to be a temporary, washable finish for use in desertic areas, at least according to C-J Ehrengardt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix44 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 "Secretariat d'etat de l'air" doesn't seem to be a pre-War/Wartihe French post? I can't find a reference to a French secretary of state like that. Vichy had a secretariat d'etat a l'aviation. France had a ministere de l"air but that's not the same title. There are secretaires d'etat de l'air post war however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milos Gazdic Posted July 10, 2022 Author Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 7/8/2022 at 12:16 AM, Super Aereo said: AFAIK Jaune Sahara was supposed to be a temporary, washable finish for use in desertic areas, at least according to C-J Ehrengardt I didn't have time to translate CJE's booklet that I have & I am still waiting for his last Camouflage book to arrive to Shanghai. If Jaune Sahara was really temporary, washable paint then it would be hard for 302 & 397 to be painted with it - since they looked too neatly painted and glossy. Majority of temporary paints I've seen have mat look to them - but this is my personal perception of things I have seen. Quote "Secretariat d'etat de l'air" doesn't seem to be a pre-War/Wartihe French post? Hello Phoenix. Based on info, the chart posted above Dennis' post is post-war one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Aereo Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 2:47 PM, Milos Gazdic said: I didn't have time to translate CJE's booklet that I have & I am still waiting for his last Camouflage book to arrive to Shanghai. If Jaune Sahara was really temporary, washable paint then it would be hard for 302 & 397 to be painted with it - since they looked too neatly painted and glossy. Majority of temporary paints I've seen have mat look to them - but this is my personal perception of things I have seen. Hello Milos, This would certainly appear to be the case for Russian winter camo and - judging from most photos - for German winter camo and washable night (black) camouflage. The colours used on 302 and 397 are a bit of a conundrum, alas... Flavio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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