Steben Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 On 03/06/2022 at 22:49, RidgeRunner said: Excellent! The Belgians looked great They always have. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) I'll have a look with some friends about the colours. The field green looks very close to RAL6003, which the Germans use(d). The norm 83 scheme calls for RAL6003 (huh yes, DDR, wehrmacht), RAL7021 (huh yes Wehrmacht) and ... FS34079. So a combo of US and German standards is not uncommon. The dark green seems very much FS34064. Edited June 9, 2022 by Steben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Steben said: I'll have a look with some friends about the colours. The field green looks very close to RAL6003, which the Germans use(d). The norm 83 scheme calls for RAL6003 (huh yes, DDR, wehrmacht), RAL7021 (huh yes Wehrmacht) and ... FS34079. So a combo of US and German standards is not uncommon. The dark green seems very much FS34064. You're just trying to tempt me into building a German one as well, aren't you? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) First answer I got was: FS24102 medium green FS24064 dark green FS20219 tan FS26622 whitegrey bottom Summary: - Semigloss not flat. - I think US SEA is 34079 (or 24079) forest green instead of the darker 24064.... The Belgian army helicopters today are FS24079 instead of 24064 Edited June 9, 2022 by Steben 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansk Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Great Enzo. It's lovely isn't it. Enjoy it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 9:09 PM, Steben said: First answer I got was: FS24102 medium green FS24064 dark green FS20219 tan FS26622 whitegrey bottom Summary: - Semigloss not flat. - I think US SEA is 34079 (or 24079) forest green instead of the darker 24064.... The Belgian army helicopters today are FS24079 instead of 24064 Most people don't bother and use FSX4079 but I guess you're right concerning the dark green. FSX4064 should be appropriate. But I find it's too dark and too brown though. Me, I would stay with FSX4079, maybe add a very, very small amount of brown to it. For the tan and medium green, i'd still follow what Daco advises, that these are different from SEA colours and use Tan FSX0227/X0313 - medium green FSX4097. +1 for a semigloss finish. NOTE: all this comes from crisscrossing info mainly from the Web and looking at pics (caveat: I'm somewhat colour blind and my monitor is not calibrated). So STRICLY personal opinions and my confidence in Dany Cooremans work. Take it with the usual grain (pack?) of salt. Regards compatriot. Pat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 I used a paint dummy to try out the camouflage colours/ Tan: FS30313 Vallejo 710112 Sand Medium Green: FS34097 Mr Hobby H340 Dark Green: FS34079 Mr Hobby H309 What do you think? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I think that looks like a pretty good match mate.👍 🇺🇦 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 15, 2022 Author Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, modelling minion said: I think that looks like a pretty good match mate.👍 And it is significantly different from the USAF scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Here's the kit. And what a lovely kit it is, too... With some extras. I really must say a few words about the DACO decals. The pack is incredibly comprehensive. It does indeed allow one to build every Belgian Starfighter in whatever phase of their service. The early jets had large roundels. These are provided on the sheet but the fuselage side roundels are elongated along the y-axis so that they will appear circular when viewed from the side. There is an incredible attention to detail apparent in this set. I believe it must have been a labour of love on the part of Danny Coremans. Due to the single stencil sheet, one can only build a single model from this set. However, the stencil sheet is available separately so one could build an early scheme and camouflaged scheme without buying an additional full pack. I placed the order for the decals in the evening of 9 June. I received them on 15 June. I think that is excellent service and I will certainly be ordering from DACO products again. Oh... and I was right about the stencils. They are in French, Flemish and English. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansk Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Enzo Matrix said: Here's the kit. And what a lovely kit it is, too... With some extras. I really must say a few words about the DACO decals. The pack is incredibly comprehensive. It does indeed allow one to build every Belgian Starfighter in whatever phase of their service. The early jets had large roundels. These are provided on the sheet but the fuselage side roundels are elongated along the y-axis so that they will appear circular when viewed from the side. There is an incredible attention to detail apparent in this set. I believe it must have been a labour of love on the part of Danny Coremans. Due to the single stencil sheet, one can only build a single model from this set. However, the stencil sheet is available separately so one could build an early scheme and camouflaged scheme without buying an additional full pack. I placed the order for the decals in the evening of 9 June. I received them on 15 June. I think that is excellent service and I will certainly be ordering from DACO products again. Oh... and I was right about the stencils. They are in French, Flemish and English. sounds great with the daco decals, i didn't know they did them. the daco starfighter book is awesome too i can really recommend that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 That decal sheet really does look fantastic Enzo, now you just need to choose which one to build! 🇺🇦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, modelling minion said: That decal sheet really does look fantastic Enzo, now you just need to choose which one to build! 🇺🇦 I want to build all of them! I would like to track down an aircraft that was at an Ample Gain or TLP at the same time as me. Let's see what I can track down. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 All preflight checks performed. Cleared for take off. Some more info can never hurt, here are the best walkaround pics I know of: http://www.sbap.be/aircraft/f104g/f104g.htm Ready to release the brakes and have some fun? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) On 15/06/2022 at 18:51, Enzo Matrix said: I used a paint dummy to try out the camouflage colours/ Tan: FS30313 Vallejo 710112 Sand Medium Green: FS34097 Mr Hobby H340 Dark Green: FS34079 Mr Hobby H309 What do you think? On picture it looks more saturated I guess than in real life, I'm sure that is ok. The contrast between the two greens looks more American (less) than Belgian (more difference) IMHO. Strange, since FS34102 is according to some sources a bit darker than 34097, no? But again it could be the light/pictur whatever. FS34097/FS34079 should behave indeed a bit like a slightly scaled 34102/34064 and the tan is perfect. @Casey ? Edited June 17, 2022 by Steben 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Steben said: On picture it looks more saturated I guess than in real life, I'm sure that is ok. The contrast between the two greens looks more American (less) than Belgian (more difference) IMHO. Strange, since FS34102 is according to some sources a bit darker than 34097, no? But again it could be the light/pictur whatever. FS34097/FS34079 should behave indeed a bit like a slightly scaled 34102/34064 and the tan is perfect. @Casey ? Same feeling as you, Steben and I'd also say it has to do with the lighting/exposure. Indeed, I used H340 "recently" for the cockpit of my Tunnan, and it looks not like a so vibrant colour as in the above pic of Enzo's paint test (painted over a grey priming coat), WIP here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) Alpha Jet in same colours Edited June 17, 2022 by Steben 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 Thanks for all the comments about the colours. I see the point about the FS34079. I think I will use the Xtracrylix paint which is somewhat darker than the Mr Hobby one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 12 hours ago, Enzo Matrix said: Thanks for all the comments about the colours. I see the point about the FS34079. I think I will use the Xtracrylix paint which is somewhat darker than the Mr Hobby one. You could add just some black in theory. That would bring in 34064. But black is touchy in mixing, most unforgiving. And you would need to mix enough in advance. One can achieve a great ww2 US army olive drab by mixing black and RAL7008. But I never ever succeeded in making two exact same OD's with a different black in same ratios. ALmost always with the same black and different RAL7008. Says something, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) Rather olive nose and fuel tanks are different (rather 24079) from the dark green camo (24064) Edited June 18, 2022 by Steben 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I'll leave aside any further comment over the camo as Steben @Steben does it extremely well, with accurate info, attention to detail and very good pictures. + 1 for the nose cone and fuel tanks painting, also clearly noticeable on many F-104s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steben Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 55 minutes ago, PattheCat said: + 1 for the nose cone and fuel tanks painting, also clearly noticeable on many F-104s. Belgians. Complicated! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dansk Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Steben said: Belgians. Complicated! ...but they're damn good at making moule frites. ☺️ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Dansk said: ...but they're damn good at making moule frites. ☺️ I can second that! The waffles and beer aren't bad either.😉 🇺🇦 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 It always comes back to beer! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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