Homebee Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) Something like a joke after yesterday's Kinetic announcement. After its Sukhoi "Flanker" family (link) Minibase Hobby Corporation (link) could also be working on a 1/48th General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon kit with ref. 06 ! Waiting for info confirmation. Sources: https://www.facebook.com/sinch.tw/posts/pfbid0XpqMKp7j9k3ijGqgPtQR6Do7Ez1PsLLY9a3T2jRS6GWXUpkiwT7F4zYotmirbAqcl https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7858375503 UPDATE: Please note that we blurred a little part from the above image as we received an email from the owner of Cartograf decal printing company stating that they are not involved with this project and that any use of their name or logo in Minibase marketing documents is unauthorized. V.P. Edited May 13, 2023 by Homebee 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinistervampire319 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Interesting. We shall see if it's a joke. Personally I would have liked them to do another Russian subject. Su-15, Su-24, etc. Sticking with the F-16. The photo appears to be a late model Falcon. I really want a YF-16 though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, sinistervampire319 said: Interesting. We shall see if it's a joke. Personally I would have liked them to do another Russian subject. Su-15... Yes, definitely a Flagon. I wonder if recent events are fuelling an interest in Russian-built jets or turning people away. I bought the Kinetic Sea Flanker when it came out and am not in the market for another, unless they do the two-seater. As for F-16, nothing's going to beat the 1/32 Tamiya kits, although I eagerly await reviews of the Kinetic Gold F-16A MLU. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) Rumour confirmed... In design with the help from some famous taiwanese modellers. Source: https://www.facebook.com/sinch.tw/posts/pfbid02HQW6LZTUGPrwdT2eqqctwpLiNC7WiwpPicAhPPpE1DM27xTVrh1HKQYoyer87oFjl V.P. Edited June 2, 2022 by Homebee 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 The Minibase kit will have the same number of parts as the real thing and probably cost as much as the Su-33. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkp Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Homebee said: ??? I hope the people they're employing to do the tooling for the kit are better at their jobs than the people doing their English translation work! 😀 It'll be interesting to see how the two new F-16 kits compare. I'm sure the Minibase one will have far more parts, but that's not necessarily always a good thing..... Edited June 1, 2022 by hopkp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold55 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 I think this will sell and be a money maker for them and that is great for the hobby! Yes it will have lots of parts and be super detailed but there should be no need to even think of after market stuff (other than a special decal scheme). I initially thought Zoukei-Mura kits were over the top but I love them and I think this is just going down the same path of well researched and super detailed kits. Not for everybody but it should do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 On 6/1/2022 at 9:52 AM, Homebee said: Rumour confirmed... In design with the help from some famous taiwanese modellers. Source: https://www.facebook.com/sinch.tw/posts/pfbid02HQW6LZTUGPrwdT2eqqctwpLiNC7WiwpPicAhPPpE1DM27xTVrh1HKQYoyer87oFjl V.P. "Crystal is definitely cardo" Absolutely. T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICrafts Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) On 01/06/2022 at 09:52, Homebee said: Rumour confirmed... In design with the help from some famous taiwanese modellers. Source: https://www.facebook.com/sinch.tw/posts/pfbid02HQW6LZTUGPrwdT2eqqctwpLiNC7WiwpPicAhPPpE1DM27xTVrh1HKQYoyer87oFjl V.P. The actual Chinese text is way ruder than the robot translation LOL It's actually pretty nasty to trash-talk about another company that way, but presumably that's their culture e.g. the feud between two Chinese tank model companies! Disregarding the rude bites, it says it is going to be a limited version specific to the Taiwanese version (both single and double seat), which has a unique spine. No corrections required to make an ROCAF bird at all. "Do you think Kinetic would be kind enough to make a new mould just for our nation's spine?" I find it a bit funny that Chinese company is working with a Taiwanese person on an American subject. Oh well. Edited June 5, 2022 by ERICrafts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICrafts Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 02/06/2022 at 12:11, tony.t said: "Crystal is definitely cardo" Absolutely. T It's meant to say "decals are definitely Cartograf" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I see there is much controversy around this kit already, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/5/2022 at 8:27 PM, ERICrafts said: I find it a bit funny that Chinese company is working with a Taiwanese person on an American subject. Oh well. Yes.. but then when did an American company last came up with a state of the art aircraft model kit? On 6/5/2022 at 8:27 PM, ERICrafts said: it says it is going to be a limited version specific to the Taiwanese version (both single and double seat), which has a unique spine What is so unique about the block 20 spine? I thought those were basically C models in an A airframe... ( in order to not to upset the Chinese..... 😞 ) A and C model have different sized fine base, and accordingly slightly different panel shapes in that area.... I'd expect pure A/ B models.... but stand to be corrected of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 hours ago, exdraken said: Yes.. but then when did an American company last came up with a state of the art aircraft model kit? What is so unique about the block 20 spine? I thought those were basically C models in an A airframe... ( in order to not to upset the Chinese..... 😞 ) A and C model have different sized fine base, and accordingly slightly different panel shapes in that area.... I'd expect pure A/ B models.... but stand to be corrected of course! I thought the same. The Block 20 and Block 15 MLU should be identical with the possible exception of the contents of the extended tail fairing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Quite useful info here: https://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article2.html And pics here: https://www.aviation-photographie.net/index?/tags/7-f_16/start-174#top Site van Kleine-Brogel AFB: https://www.kleinebrogelairbase.be/index.php/en/ en Florennes AFB: https://www.florennesairbase.be/ And, of course, at DACO's site: https://www.dacoproducts.com/KF16Kinetic.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 12:43 PM, PattheCat said: Quite useful info here Definitely so for the European A/B models! ( which are basically Block 1 to Block 15) But for the above mentioned Block 20 I would like to know any external differences but markings of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattheCat Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 15 hours ago, exdraken said: Definitely so for the European A/B models! ( which are basically Block 1 to Block 15) But for the above mentioned Block 20 I would like to know any external differences but markings of course! Sorry Werner. My interest lies in the Belgian planes so I didn't file info about block 20 and up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 Source: https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68170&sid=d1e1287908143b937e00162f9c6eb039&start=15405#p2512117 Photos without reliable origin reported to be from the Minibase F-16 in design. V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted September 12, 2022 Author Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) New pics Source: https://www.facebook.com/sinch.tw/posts/pfbid0aKhoJ38BpDSoTzZ6Pjp94oUymDKFJTHiLDChnZaruRACb7g6x3WtBWQ7oYDmgz1l V.P. Edited September 12, 2022 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) Looks to represent a ROCAF F-16A MLU Block 20. Lacks the strengthener on the parahousing (the zig-zag pattern) seen on EPAF Vipers? Otherwise seems to be a mix of Hasegawa and Tamiya F-16? 🤔 Edited September 12, 2022 by Boman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, Boman said: Looks to represent a ROCAF F-16A MLU Block 20. Lacks the strengthener on the parahousing (the zig-zag pattern) seen on EPAF Vipers? Otherwise seems to be a mix of Hasegawa and Tamiya F-16? 🤔 The rear part of the fin tip looks more like the C/D version, doesn't it? I mean, it's not rounded enough. Jens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/12/2022 at 8:34 PM, Jens said: The rear part of the fin tip looks more like the C/D version, doesn't it? I mean, it's not rounded enough. Jens ROCAF F-16's top of the fin is the same as on the F-16C/D's, so that's correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 11:43 AM, exdraken said: Definitely so for the European A/B models! ( which are basically Block 1 to Block 15) But for the above mentioned Block 20 I would like to know any external differences but markings of course! Are you suggesting this kit can’t be used for any European nation F-16s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/17/2022 at 3:08 AM, Scooby said: Are you suggesting this kit can’t be used for any European nation F-16s? Actually I am not.... because I am not sure if there eoukd be differences between a block 15 and A block 20 from a modelling point of view.... AFAIK, block 20 was a C model spec aircraft in an A model airframe especially for Taiwan in order not to p.... o.. China too much back then. (With hindsight....) But as e.g. the bigger fin base electronics / ECM gear would need to go somewhere in the airframe, I am not so sure about the above definition 🤔 So I am curious what exactly makes a block 20 a block 20 ( by the way, those jets are upgraded to F-16V, block 72 spec now., and keep the A/B models spec short fin base and related panels on the spine ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McArthur Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 9 hours ago, exdraken said: So I am curious what exactly makes a block 20 a block 20 I've seen Block 20 refer to 2 different groups of F-16s. EPAF F-16A/Bs got there by upgrade, Taiwan bought them new. Each path results in configuration differences. The F-16A/B MLU is sometimes referred to as a Block 20, but F-16 MLU seems to be more common. These were all conversion of earlier Block 1/5/10/15. After conversion these aircraft were equivalent to Block 50/52 aircraft from an avionics standpoint, but were still old airframes with age and design related structural issues. Most of these issues were dealt with by separate programs and you should see scab plates on aircraft still in service. Block 50/52 airframes are structurally beefed up compared to earlier versions to deal with the problems they were running into. The Block 20s as built for Taiwan were new build aircraft and are really Block 52 airframes with a F-16A tail. So, structurally they are on par with Block 50/52 aircraft and do not require the scab plates earlier planes got. If you look at photos of the Block 72 planes upgrades they still do not have these scab plates. At least I haven't been able to find any. It was also capable of using pods from initial delivery where the earlier F-16As required structural modifications to the inlet to add this capability. From an avionics standpoint Taiwan F-16s were equivalent to the F-16 MLU or Block 50/52. Taiwan received the downgraded Sharpshooter and Pathfinder pods instead of the full up LANTRIN system. Taiwan was also refused AIM-120 initially, so they are one of the F-16 users that used AIM-7 with its unique pylon. They have AIM-120 now. They also have the 4 chaff/flare buckets like a Block 50/52 where the MLU planes only have 2. Taiwan Block 20 with AIM-7 and Pathfinder/Sharpshooter pods. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 Block 15 A/B's had provisions for pods on the inlets from the get-go. It is only the earlier block 1/5/10 that necessarily required a rebuild to allow the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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