billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Having just completed my “Red Baron” Starfighter, I’m contemplating my next build. Top of my list is a 1/72 F-100D Super Saber, with markings for the 79th Tactical Fighter Squadron (the “Tigers”). My former father-in-law was with the 79th in the late 1950’s, flying F-84s and F-100s. Here’s my quandary: What kit should I use, and what additional work will I need to do to get a reasonably accurate result? In my stash I have the Trumpeter "D" with various aftermarket (Aires cockpit, afterburner can/nozzle, wheels & gear bays; plus, a corrected nose by XMM). I have "D" models from Academy (Italeri) and ESCI, too. Also, for what it's worth, I have Aires cockpit & afterburner can/nozzle sets for the Academy/Italeri kit. My first thought was to go with the Trumpeter kit, but I’ve read that it has accuracy issues which take a fair amount of work to correct — see for example @TheRealMrEd’s Trumpeter F-100C build from about 5-years ago: One more consideration: I’d like to finish the project in about two months (or less), for a Group Build with my local modeling club (“The Year You We’re Born”). Any advice? I’m all ears! I 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackman Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 The Italeri/Esci kit is a little gem. If possible, use the dropped slats from the Trumpeter kit with the Italeri/Esci kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Italeri/Esci, hands down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Esci or Italeri, they're similar but not the same, either way, they're better than the Trumpeter kit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 Votes are coming in! Thus far, it's looking like a landslide for Italeri/ESCI. Concerning the wing slats, I'll take a look to see if using the Trumpeter wings on the Italeri kit is feasible... Right now, I'm away on a business trip and won't be back for a few days, so keep the polls will be open until then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Another vote for the Esci - the Italeri is very similar, but adds a superfluous canopy frame. The Trumpeter just has too much accuracy issues to my tastes. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, billn53 said: Votes are coming in! Thus far, it's looking like a landslide for Italeri/ESCI. Concerning the wing slats, I'll take a look to see if using the Trumpeter wings on the Italeri kit is feasible... Obscureco makes a very nice set of resin wings for the Italeri/Esci kit, as well: http://www.obscureco.com/product_pages/OBS72013/OBS72013.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vultures1 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Esci or Italeri definitely, it's a really nice kit. They can be hard to find in stock but Blackbird models do a very nice set of replacement wings with dropped slats and control surfaces 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Hook said: Another vote for the Esci - the Italeri is very similar, but adds a superfluous canopy frame. The Trumpeter just has too much accuracy issues to my tastes. Cheers, Andre I'll have no problem with Italeri as far as the canopy goes--I've ordered a Rob Taurus replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirly Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Esci all the way: surface detail is much crisper than Italeri. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Esci, Bill. The Trumper has some shape issues in the fuselage and the fin. I used the complete Trumper wing assembly on my 3 builds (C, D and F). The intake will need work, though, as it is old school and blanked off on the Esci. The aftermarket cockpit, wheels, etc are a must regardless of what you choose. I have one more D to build - one day - and was debating the Trumper/Esci but I then woke up and it was all a bad dream ..... Esci it is! The one area where I think the Esci is poor, though, is the canopy and windscreen. Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Procopius said: Obscureco makes a very nice set of resin wings for the Italeri/Esci kit, as well: http://www.obscureco.com/product_pages/OBS72013/OBS72013.html I had some and sold them on. They were poorly cast and the detail wasn’t great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 5 hours ago, billn53 said: ESCI. Concerning the wing slats, I'll take a look to see if using the Trumpeter wings on the Italeri kit is feasible... It is! It fits like a glove 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 minute ago, RidgeRunner said: Esci, Bill. The Trumper has some shape issues in the fuselage and the fin. I used the complete Trumper wing assembly on my 3 builds (C, D and F). The intake will need work, though, as it is old school and blanked off on the Esci. The aftermarket cockpit, wheels, etc are a must regardless of what you choose. I have one more D to build - one day - and was debating the Trumper/Esci but common sense will prevail Martin Thanks, Martin. I recall seeing one of your builds, where you grafted Trumpeter’s wings onto an Esci (I think?) fuselage. I hadn’t considered the ESCI inlet, however… I’ll have to take a look & come up with a plan to deepen it. Maybe I can use the Trumpeter inlet trunk, but that’s likely easier said than done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 It is too flat on the lower face. I bought a few Renaissance Models inlets. They are nice https://www.aero-spezial-modellbauversand.de/Detail-Conversion-sets/Renaissance/Scale-1-72/RF72017-F-100-Super-Sabre-Air-Intake-Lip::14325.html?language=en You still need to build the trunking, though. M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: It is too flat on the lower face. I bought a few Renaissance Models inlets. They are nice I meant, open up the ESCI inlet and extend it using the Trumpeter trunk. I recall Ed did something similar on his F-100C build. Alternatively, maybe I can repurpose the XMM resin inlet & trunk meant for the Trumpeter kit, and use it with the ESCI fuselage instead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Red Sox Fan Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Bill, already learning from the deep bench of experts here. I only have Trumpeter’s C & D in my stash. FWIW, I thought the recent Detail and Scale F-100 edition did a good overview with issues on both these kits (although I clearly don’t have some of the insights here). Really looking forward to your build as I really would like to build a respectable F-100–I have no doubt your build will be amazing inspiration and education—best, Erwin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, VT Red Sox Fan said: Bill, already learning from the deep bench of experts here. . . . Really looking forward to your build as I really would like to build a respectable F-100. . . . Thanks, Erwin! I’m hoping to get started this weekend, after I’m back from my trip. I’ll only have about six weeks if I’m to finish in time for the group build. So, I’m trying to avoid any really major work (which correcting the Trumpeter kit would require). Hopefully schoolwork won’t get in the way (summer session begins in three weeks). Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: I had some and sold them on. They were poorly cast and the detail wasn’t great. Disappointing, I had some really nice CF-100 sets from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsr Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Vultures1 said: Esci or Italeri definitely, it's a really nice kit. They can be hard to find in stock but Blackbird models do a very nice set of replacement wings with dropped slats and control surfaces 1+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Vultures1 said: Esci or Italeri definitely, it's a really nice kit. They can be hard to find in stock but Blackbird models do a very nice set of replacement wings with dropped slats and control surfaces Unfortunately, the Blackbird Models replacement wings are currently out of stock. They do look nice, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Here’s a photo of a 79th TFS F-100D, like I want to model. Fortunately, I was able to find decals in 1/72. Many years ago I built Monogram’s 1/48 kit, which came with markings for the “Tigers”. I gave it to my father-in-law (who had flown F-100s with the 79th). I recall it was a pretty nice kit, perhaps some day I’ll build another like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMrEd Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 The On 5/30/2022 at 11:07 PM, billn53 said: Having just completed my “Red Baron” Starfighter, I’m contemplating my next build. Top of my list is a 1/72 F-100D Super Saber, with markings for the 79th Tactical Fighter Squadron (the “Tigers”). My former father-in-law was with the 79th in the late 1950’s, flying F-84s and F-100s. Here’s my quandary: What kit should I use, and what additional work will I need to do to get a reasonably accurate result? In my stash I have the Trumpeter "D" with various aftermarket (Aires cockpit, afterburner can/nozzle, wheels & gear bays; plus, a corrected nose by XMM). I have "D" models from Academy (Italeri) and ESCI, too. Also, for what it's worth, I have Aires cockpit & afterburner can/nozzle sets for the Academy/Italeri kit. My first thought was to go with the Trumpeter kit, but I’ve read that it has accuracy issues which take a fair amount of work to correct — see for example @TheRealMrEd’s Trumpeter F-100C build from about 5-years ago: One more consideration: I’d like to finish the project in about two months (or less), for a Group Build with my local modeling club (“The Year You We’re Born”). On 5/30/2022 at 11:07 PM, billn53 said: The Trumpeter wings are the best of all options. The Trumpeter kit is by far the best and most detailed, given that the fuselage in the cockpit area is too narrow, and the intake and wheels are wrong, it takes a little work, but it's the best, hands down. The vertical stab and rudder are correct on the Trumpeter "D", the problems are only on the Trumpeter "C" kit. Ed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackman Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 5/31/2022 at 4:01 PM, billn53 said: Votes are coming in! Thus far, it's looking like a landslide for Italeri/ESCI. Concerning the wing slats, I'll take a look to see if using the Trumpeter wings on the Italeri kit is feasible... IIRC, the Trumpeter wings are too thin & flat. I think I read somewhere that the gear wells are too shallow too, making the landing gear (and by extension), the entire fuselage sit too tall. You could also built your own, like this gentleman did with his inspirational build: https://robdebie.home.xs4all.nl/models/f100.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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