bootneck Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Hello all, I am trying to scratchbuild a model of a Leyland PS2/1 single deck bus, as used by Birmingham Corporation in the 1950s. I have searched for reference photos, especially the front entrance steps etc., but can only find quarter-on views like this one. Does anyone have access to photos of side views, both sides please? I have the plan and profile drawing by T.F. Blois [dwg no.298] but could do with some extra visual details. cheers, Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Hi Mike, I can't help you with any pics, but that's a lovely shot of the Birmingham Corporation livery from that era. I he hasn't seen it I reckon Bill @perdu would appreciate that! Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Terry1954 said: Hi Mike, I can't help you with any pics, but that's a lovely shot of the Birmingham Corporation livery from that era. I he hasn't seen it I reckon Bill @perdu would appreciate that! Terry He does. Mike the Wythall bus museum might be able to come up trumps, try an email or phone call to them maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I have a 1:76 very good quality resin kit, I can email some pics of that over. I do know someone who owns one but probably won’t be able to get to it before I go away in July. here is 2 of the 3 survivors 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 Hi Rich, that would be great, thank you. Travelling, such as to the transport museum, is not possible at the mo', so your offer of photos would be really good please. Who makes the resin kit? As you can see, I haven't been able to progress very much due to the lack of information available. I'm struggling with how the chassis looks, what the floor shape looks like and how the steps and doors fit etc. Then, of course, we have the issue of axles, wheel hub and tyre sizes. I'll send you a pm. cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Just sent an email with some pics of the model on. wheels would probably be a standard Leyland style split rim with Leyland axle and hubs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Hi Rich, received the email and images, thank you. They show that the passenger deck is level all the way through the bus, I had thought that it might be stepped over the rear axle. I'm not sure what a standard split rim, axle and hubs mean. Any images or dimensions for those? I can draw the hub and wheel in 3D but not sure the dimensions i.e. circumferences for each, so would be grateful for advice on that. Is the bus rear axle drive? cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 A split rim is an old style wheel, I have some resin 1:24 ones I’ll dig out and email pics and sizes. The back axle is probably a normal straight axle, double deckers had a dropped centre so the floor was lower to allow the bus to be low enough to use, but keep the saloons high for people to stand comfortably. All buses are Rear wheel drive When I can get to the bus I can have a crawl under but it could be a while 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer matt Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Hi Mike, Don' t know if this helps but it shows the back, something most anoraks steadfastly refuse to photograph. Photo of a photo from Capital Transport book not sure how it will present here but lets see, bct by Matt Farmer, on Flickr Also notice the difference in the front bulkhead and nearside cab windows between your photo and richellis. The latter was a one man operated conversion. Not that up on BCT stuff but hope this is of use. Matt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Hi Matt, thanks for the photo, every little helps. I had noticed the two types in Rich's photo. It will be the one inboard of his picture, as a driver and conductor version that I would like to build. cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 That bus is a Birmingham bus, JOJ reg 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.E.SAUNDERS Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 hi , Old Bus Photos.com should have wot you require cheery"Modellin' " mumbas ! Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 Nope, just more of the same quarter-on views typical of other transport photo sites. cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer matt Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 With regard to the lack of 'alternative' viewpoints, for whatever reason lost in the mists of time, it has been deemed that the 'correct' way to photograph a bus is a front quarter view. Certainly this has also been perpetuated and reinforced by publishers selecting such views. Submitting 'imaginative' views would normally guarantee rejection, and as for the back? Also be wary that if there were for example 12 boggo standard examples of something, and one different, thats the one photographed and published. Sure that kind of thing happens elsewhere, but buses seem bad for it. Good luck in your quest. Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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