Adam Poultney Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Just wondering, would converting the Roden Super VC10 (Type 1151) into a VC10 C1 be possible? I know obviously the fuselage needs shortening but I don't know so much about other details which may need to be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMB Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 Good grief, you do make things difficult! Surely better to get hold of an Airfix VC10 kit to start with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, AMB said: Good grief, you do make things difficult! Surely better to get hold of an Airfix VC10 kit to start with? Difficult? I think you mean fun. This would be right up my street considering what I like to do to Vulcan kits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, AMB said: Good grief, you do make things difficult! Surely better to get hold of an Airfix VC10 kit to start with? Not really, the Airfix kit is based on G-ARTA which differed significantly from the BOAC Stabdards and the RAF's V.1106s. The BOAC V.101s differed from the V.1106s in not having the wet fin (different skin and access panel layout), main deck cargo door and increased chord on the inboard 60%(?) of the wings. I think the Airfix kit lacks the extended span wing tips introduced to reduce drag and definitely lacks the later engine pylons that feature increased AoA and dihedral as installed on the V.1106s. Other mods that need doing on the Airfix kit are the wing fences, engine exhaust fairings and cockpit eyebrow windows. I'm sure I've missed a shedload of stuff, hopefully someone like @bzn20 will be along soon to provide correction where needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 17 hours ago, stever219 said: The BOAC V.101s differed from the V.1106s in not having the wet fin (different skin and access panel layout), main deck cargo door and increased chord on the inboard 60%(?) of the wings. I think the Airfix kit lacks the extended span wing tips introduced to reduce drag and definitely lacks the later engine pylons that feature increased AoA and dihedral as installed on the V.1106s. Other mods that need doing on the Airfix kit are the wing fences, engine exhaust fairings and cockpit eyebrow windows. So what out of this applies to the Roden kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Adam Poultney said: So what out of this applies to the Roden kit? Not a lot old fruit! I was originally replying to @AMB's post where he suggested using the Airfix kit. If you're using the Roden V. 1151 kit not only are you going to have to shorten the fuselage but you'll need to eliminate the port rear service door just ahead of the engines and you're going to have to introduce a new passenger door on the port side just ahead of the wing, and the main deck freight door between that and the standard port forward door. Without looking just now I'm not sure if you'll have to alter the wing fences but at least you won't have to add the inboard leading edge extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) On 5/6/2022 at 1:00 PM, stever219 said: using the Airfix kit BTW 1st flight of the Prototype VC10 G-ARTA is 60 years ago 29th of June (next month ! ). This is probably better than shortening a Super fuselage , modifying the right wing root trailing edge fairing etc.. Braz do the Inboard leading edge extensions for all VC10s including the Prototype G-ARTA/OD-AFA except the original BOAC Standards ( G-ARVA-RVM ) Bra.Z Models Aircraft engines - BZ4040 | Hannants Stub wing /engine combo for the original RAF order of 14 VC10 C.Mk1s and 1K XR806-XR810 and XV101-XV109 Bra.Z Models Aircraft detailing - BZ4041 | Hannants Braz also did the inboard wing fence too . Although these are for a Super but some it will be common to both Metallic Details Aircraft detailing - MDMD14412 | Hannants Decals will take care of the freight door . The fin tank has extra panels for access to the fuel tank as you said but the fins look the same except for those . Wing tips might be a problem unless................ Does the Airfix K2 Tanker kit have the correct 3 foot longer wing / 6ft span increase ? Anyway I thought somebody did the tips as an after market add on or did I dream that ? Anything else you need to know Stever ? 219 was my RAF Appo entry . Were you in 219 ? Edited May 7, 2022 by bzn20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberduck Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I believe the question should be, I have a cheap Roden kit how do I make a VC10 C1 out of it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Anything's possible but couldn't you get one of the other Roden kits with a Standard Fuselage length .. Then the wings will be wrong probably . Short answer is , Correct wings . The shortening of the Fuselage would give you a nightmare around the trailing edge fuse/wing join . It's different on the right side ( shorter ) to the C.Mk 1 because of the rear freight bay door is on the left Super is Right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 11 hours ago, bzn20 said: couldn't you get one of the other Roden kits with a Standard Fuselage length Which one? as far as I know all the Roden VC10's have the same Super fuselage. The only change to the moulds was the addition of tanker parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dave Swindell said: Which one? Sorry I thought they did a standard fuselage . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberduck Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 All the Roden kits are the same basic mouldings for a super VC10s (minus the wing refuelling pods for the civilian boxings). Both the K3 and K4 have no large forward cargo doors in the fuselage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Cyberduck said: Both the K3 and K4 have no large forward cargo doors in the fuselage. The K4s are ex BA so never had them . The Four K3s are ex East African and still have them fitted ,sealed , door Jack removed and locked shut . So a Cabin Freight Door Decal would be required for K3s ZA147-ZA150 inc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 24/07/2022 at 13:46, Cyberduck said: I believe the question should be, I have a cheap Roden kit how do I make a VC10 C1 out of it? Basically yes. I have a Roden VC10 how do I make a C1 out of it? Even though there's also the Airfix kit which is probably an easier starting point it seems, the challenge of the conversion appeals to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirly Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Hi Adam, see here how to shorten the fuselage, the wings should be already ok out of the box, having already the LE extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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