russ c Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Hi everyone, Wondering if anyone had any ideas about the colours of the camo` scheme on this aircraft: https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.asisbiz.com%2Fil2%2FP-40%2FRNZAF-14Sqn%2Fimages%2FUSAAF-42-10323-Curtiss-P-40K-Kittyhawk-RNZAF-14Sqn-NZ3060-Black-9-Guadalcanal-01.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.asisbiz.com%2Fil2%2FP-40%2FRNZAF-14Sqn%2Fpages%2FUSAAF-42-10323-Curtiss-P-40K-Kittyhawk-RNZAF-14Sqn-NZ3060-Black-9-Guadalcanal-01.html&tbnid=A8el5TWhHvSMdM&vet=12ahUKEwj18MC-yLH3AhXQwoUKHTPfBscQMygBegUIARCQAQ..i&docid=kof8u9a61ANthM&w=1800&h=1083&q=kittyhawk III nz3060%2F9&ved=2ahUKEwj18MC-yLH3AhXQwoUKHTPfBscQMygBegUIARCQAQ I`m interested in building the aircraft as it`s a bit different but not sure on camo` colours. It looks at first glance like std foliage green/dark earth. But on closer inspection the colours seem to be reversed, ie the green which normally shows as the darker colour is where the brown should be. Then it occurred to me that some RNZAF Hawks were painted in Grey and green camo`, but that still puts the darker colour in the wrong place? If anyone`s got any further ideas I`d appreciate the input TIA Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Sounds like a query for Alan Willoughby @LDSModeller Steve. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhagger Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 (edited) Russ, I wrote to the Air Force Museum of NZ in 2009 about the camouflage on these P-40K aircraft. The discussion ,along with notes of a Mr Robert Montgomery in Appendix 3 of Classic Warbirds number 6 by Ventura Publications, concluded that the a/c were repainted in NZ prior to departure to the islands with a blue-grey and green upper scheme. The darker colour in the photo would correspond to the green. The wavy lower demarcation is noticeable. The RNZAF had applied these colours to Hudsons and then other a/c. Other photos of these a/c http://rnzaf.hobbyvista.com/p40_1.html colours on an a/c beiing restored in NZ http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/picture.php?/Kittyhawk_NZ3024/category/nz-kittyhawk and it appears the discussion has come up here a couple of years ago regards,Robert Edited April 26, 2022 by rhagger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 7 hours ago, russ c said: I`m interested in building the aircraft as it`s a bit different but not sure on camo` colours. It looks at first glance like std foliage green/dark earth. But on closer inspection the colours seem to be reversed, ie the green which normally shows as the darker colour is where the brown should be NZ3060 is one of the P40K long tails received by the RNZAF circa January 1943 These aircraft were received in standard USAAF Olive Drab/Neutral Grey These Airframes prior to departure to the Forward Operational Areas were given a repaint in the following way NZ Sea Blue Grey was applied over the Olive Drab in an RAF "B" type camouflage scheme, which is why the Camouflage Scheme seem backward/reverse in photos. NZ Sky Grey ( a Blue/Green colour - I'm quite certain is a Kiwi manufactured version of DuPont Sky Type S) painted over the lower Neutral Grey. You can tell the NZ Sky Grey by the "Scalloping" along the lower paint demarcation The NZ Sea Blue Grey and NZ Sky Grey are BALM Colours, manufactured in either Australia or New Zealand Sanitago Hrubisko (diamant) has just recently built NZ3060, in what I consider a very faithful reproduction in those colours/scheme I have described, posted in the RFI section Diamant NZ3060 Hope that helps? Regards Alan 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ c Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 5 hours ago, rhagger said: Russ, I wrote to the Air Force Museum of NZ in 2009 about the camouflage on these P-40K aircraft. The discussion ,along with notes of a Mr Robert Montgomery in Appendix 3 of Classic Warbirds number 6 by Ventura Publications, concluded that the a/c were repainted in NZ prior to departure to the islands with a blue-grey and green upper scheme. The darker colour in the photo would correspond to the green. The wavy lower demarcation is noticeable. The RNZAF had applied these colours to Hudsons and then other a/c. Other photos of these a/c http://rnzaf.hobbyvista.com/p40_1.html colours on an a/c beiing restored in NZ http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/picture.php?/Kittyhawk_NZ3024/category/nz-kittyhawk and it appears the discussion has come up here a couple of years ago regards,Robert Many thanks Robert, very helpful. Noticed in one of the photo`s it does look like the colours are reversed as well as being the grey and green schems. Thanks again, cheers Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ c Posted April 26, 2022 Author Share Posted April 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, LDSModeller said: NZ3060 is one of the P40K long tails received by the RNZAF circa January 1943 These aircraft were received in standard USAAF Olive Drab/Neutral Grey These Airframes prior to departure to the Forward Operational Areas were given a repaint in the following way NZ Sea Blue Grey was applied over the Olive Drab in an RAF "B" type camouflage scheme, which is why the Camouflage Scheme seem backward/reverse in photos. NZ Sky Grey ( a Blue/Green colour - I'm quite certain is a Kiwi manufactured version of DuPont Sky Type S) painted over the lower Neutral Grey. You can tell the NZ Sky Grey by the "Scalloping" along the lower paint demarcation The NZ Sea Blue Grey and NZ Sky Grey are BALM Colours, manufactured in either Australia or New Zealand Sanitago Hrubisko (diamant) has just recently built NZ3060, in what I consider a very faithful reproduction in those colours/scheme I have described, posted in the RFI section Diamant NZ3060 Hope that helps? Regards Alan Many thanks Alan, I think I`m going to give it a go now Cheers Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhagger Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) Of interest I hope. Enlarge the 2nd photo in this article- 2 Kittyhawks seen from a Hudson-and note that the lighter and darker colours are in the opposite locations cf NZ3060(visible on nose and tail). Very hard to be sure but I think lower cowling demarcation is wavy. Dark spinners. Cheers,Rob https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/air-space-museum/2020/08/31/cactus-air-forces-forgotten-spine-royal-new-zealand-air-force-guadalcanal/ PS-and another reversed scheme- the a/c on the right, from https://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/17599/rnzaf-40-pile?page=3 Edited April 27, 2022 by rhagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ c Posted April 27, 2022 Author Share Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, rhagger said: Of interest I hope. Enlarge the 2nd photo in this article- 2 Kittyhawks seen from a Hudson-and note that the lighter and darker colours are in the opposite locations cf NZ3060(visible on nose and tail). Very hard to be sure but I think lower cowling demarcation is wavy. Dark spinners. Cheers,Rob https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/air-space-museum/2020/08/31/cactus-air-forces-forgotten-spine-royal-new-zealand-air-force-guadalcanal/ PS-and another reversed scheme- the a/c on the right, from https://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/17599/rnzaf-40-pile?page=3 Thanks for the extra pic`s Robert, I`ve a Mauve kit waiting in the stash to give it a go Cheers Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSModeller Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 7 hours ago, rhagger said: Very hard to be sure but I think lower cowling demarcation is wavy. Dark spinners. If you look at this Photo of NZ3060 (after a bit of a whoops), you can see the Wavy/scalloped lines on the lower fuselage, and the Spinner is White (even though there is only the rear section) (RNZAF Official - Air Force Museum of New Zealand - Used with Permissions) Below is another photo of NZ3050 (a fellow P40K of NZ3060) painted in the RNZAF Pacific Scheme - the paint is reasonably new. and you can clearly see the Wavy/scalloped lower paint edge - NZ3053 is wearing the Yellow HQ of the Gunnery School at Ohakea Spinner is Red for 4 OTU - Most likely before leaving for Over Seas (Photo from the Book RNZAF First Decade (Charles Darby) NZ3050 with RNZAF Pacific Scheme Regardsd Alan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ c Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 9:33 PM, LDSModeller said: If you look at this Photo of NZ3060 (after a bit of a whoops), you can see the Wavy/scalloped lines on the lower fuselage, and the Spinner is White (even though there is only the rear section) (RNZAF Official - Air Force Museum of New Zealand - Used with Permissions) Below is another photo of NZ3050 (a fellow P40K of NZ3060) painted in the RNZAF Pacific Scheme - the paint is reasonably new. and you can clearly see the Wavy/scalloped lower paint edge - NZ3053 is wearing the Yellow HQ of the Gunnery School at Ohakea Spinner is Red for 4 OTU - Most likely before leaving for Over Seas (Photo from the Book RNZAF First Decade (Charles Darby) NZ3050 with RNZAF Pacific Scheme Regardsd Alan Thanks Alan, great photo Cheers Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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