vppelt68 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I wouldn't dare skipping those bulkheads either. The fuselage halves are quite thin and it might end up in a weak structure without them. I did leave the bomb racks off my Z-2 though, because they're not visible. V-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 19 hours ago, vppelt68 said: I wouldn't dare skipping those bulkheads either. The fuselage halves are quite thin and it might end up in a weak structure without them. I did leave the bomb racks off my Z-2 though, because they're not visible. V-P Vp, I wouldn't be concerned with those bombay braces, it won't add to the structural integrity. Just my experience being on my third do 17 build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 That's good to know, Walter! I'll probably add them anyway, it's only a few minute job to clean the parts and cement them in. V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 Cockpit painted up, picked out some dials and knobs and a bit of a black wash and silver dry brush to bring out some detail. The woven seats got a wash of sepia. Still have to add some belts. I followed ICM’s colour call outs, although I suspect the whole cockpit should be RLM 66. At least this way some of the detail will be visible once the canopy is on. Thanks for looking. AW 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Nice work! I'm going the same way with the cockpit on mine and having it RLM 02 rather than the accurate RLM 66, as the pre-painted PE I'm using for some of the details is RLM 02. Like you say, it should make a lot more of it visible, even if it's not technically correct. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 AW, I found a Lent option at an Xtradecal Do 215 sheet. Will you be doing the all-black scheme? V-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 19 hours ago, vppelt68 said: AW, I found a Lent option at an Xtradecal Do 215 sheet. Will you be doing the all-black scheme? V-P I was planning on doing R4+DC in the 74/75/76 scheme, but after reading the recent posts in the Chat thread, I’m in a bit of a quandry. The 22/77/76 suggestion is very tempting, but AW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 After a week of real life getting in the way, I found some bench time this afternoon. Attached the seats, instrument panel and that odd wheel that sits behind the pilot’s seat and closed up the fuselage, remembering to fit the little window in the side: Then cemented the three main parts of the wing, which required a fair bit of clamping: Also started on some other parts, the tail assemblies and main wheels: Tomorrow hopefully I can these cleaned up and the elevators and rudders attached. Thanks for looking. AW 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Nice, how about that pilot it's not to scale is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Walter said: Nice, how about that pilot it's not to scale is it? ?? Sorry, I don't follow. There is no pilot. My tape seat belts are probably over scale however. AW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Andwil said: ?? Sorry, I don't follow. There is no pilot. My tape seat belts are probably over scale however. AW Aha, sorry I meant the pilot seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 The wing parts are indeed flimsier compared to their radial engined kits but once the three parts are assembled they are sturdy enough. Did you notice the "spacer pins"? I didn't on the first wing half and broke them. Very tidy work, do you think it was worth swapping the kit generation or not? V-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, vppelt68 said: Did you notice the "spacer pins"? I didn't on the first wing half and broke them. Well now, that explains the following. I took the pegs off the wing and the three parts had set nicely, I gently rubbed down the leading edge joints and offered up the wing to the fuselage for a dry fit. It clipped in nicely, the top join looked very good. Then I turned it over: The mother of all gaps and steps To say I was disappointed would be understatement of the century. Then I saw V-P’s post and realised what had happened. I had seen the dinky little pins and wondered what they could possibly be for. I think spacers should be a bit more substantial. Anyway, the wing lower halves are quite flexible so I was able to lift them into position, run some Tamiya Extra Thin into the joint to hold it in place, I then wedged some needle nosed tweezers in to the wing through the space for the nacelle to hold it in place and applied sprue gloop to the joint. When it had set I repeated for the other side. I think this is a save. 17 hours ago, vppelt68 said: do you think it was worth swapping the kit generation or not? Definitely the beet thing to do! The only trouble I’ve had with this new tool kit can be squarely laid at my door. Thanks for looking. AW Edited June 12, 2022 by Andwil Typos 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlemaster Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Good save there AW looks like a perfect fit now . Out of interest is the side window in place ? Cheers Alistair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Mottlemaster said: Out of interest is the side window in place? This seems to be quite popular question! And now I thought I was smart assembling the nacelles before attaching the wings to the fuselage... but that build sequence now denies me the chance to fix the lower wing to fuselage fit like AW did, through the nacelle opening Maybe I have to fix the lower seams first and leave the upper side "floating" until the "armpits" are set . Nice work, AW, and indeed a Fabianski- class save. V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share Posted June 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Mottlemaster said: Good save there AW looks like a perfect fit now . Out of interest is the side window in place ? Cheers Alistair Yes, its in! 41 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: Maybe I have to fix the lower seams first and leave the upper side "floating" until the "armpits" are set That should work. Definitely a trap for the unsuspecting. 44 minutes ago, vppelt68 said: I thought I was smart assembling the nacelles before attaching the wings to the fuselage. I almost did the same, glad I didn't. I’ve been trying to work out whether it is possible to leave out the engines and still be able to attach the props (I don’t do spinning props on my models) as building up engines that wont be seen seems like too much trouble and I don't want to have detachable cowl panels. It might be nice to have a stand alone DB engine on display though. AW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelling minion Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Nice work on the lower wing gaps, the 1/48 kit is very similar in that respect but is sorted in the same way you did it. 🇺🇦 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Andwil said: Yes, its in! That should work. Definitely a trap for the unsuspecting. I almost did the same, glad I didn't. I’ve been trying to work out whether it is possible to leave out the engines and still be able to attach the props (I don’t do spinning props on my models) as building up engines that wont be seen seems like too much trouble and I don't want to have detachable cowl panels. It might be nice to have a stand alone DB engine on display though. AW I thought about the same. In my opinion the DB:s can be left off. The spinners need then be cemented to the front of the nacelles... but in my build, the prop shaft doesn't look completely centered so I'll probably snap it off and use cement anyway. In any case, no need to paint anything from the engines! V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 A few more bits added to the fuselage, the cannon pack under the nose and the tail wheel. Fit of the cannon pack was a bit iffy, I may have something in the nose slightly misaligned. Nothing that a bit of filler and sanding cant fix. I also made up the nacelles. These were very fiddly and reminded me more of the original kit, lots of parts, very small mating surfaces and a 3D jigsaw puzzle. However, if care is taken they go together quite well, just don’t make the mistake I did and mix up the halves, as they are handed. The first one I did I had all sorts of trouble with the fit and it would not fit the space on the wing before I realised that I had used the the wrong nacelle halves and had to pull it apart. I have left out the engines. Gradually coming together. Thanks for looking. AW 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I doubt ICM could have made the radiator assembly any more complicated, it is indeed fiddly enough as it comes now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 14, 2022 Author Share Posted June 14, 2022 20 hours ago, vppelt68 said: I doubt ICM could have made the radiator assembly any more complicated, it is indeed fiddly enough as it comes now! And its virtually impossible to see! I got the nacelles and tailplanes on today: Really looking like a Do-215 now. But its not so pretty underneath: I had a real fight getting the nacelles to fit and ended up with big gaps. The “tabs” that make up the sides of the gear bays were fouling the wing and needed to be sanded down quite a bit. I think this is a continuation of the wing fit issue. I wonder whether my kit has a moulding gremlin because it seems that the lower wing “halves” are far too flat and should have a more pronounced curve in profile? This would alleviate both the wing root and nacelle fit problems. I don’t think the tiny little pins moulded on as spacers are anywhere near strong enough to hold the wing out to the correct shape. I see a lot of filling, sanding, repeat in my future. AW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 It may be a fight, but you appear to be winning. I might make up some spacers for the wing roots when I get to them, thanks for the warning. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) Still plugging away on the wing/nacelle joints, I reckon its time for some primer to see how bad they really are. With that in mind and in preparation for priming the undersides I have attached the nose and the towel rail antenna. Pleased to report that the nose and the clear part fitted perfectly. Must remember to mask the windows before priming. Thanks for looking. AW Edited June 17, 2022 by Andwil Typo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 From below she looks quite different compared to a Do 17Z. Nice progress, AW! 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andwil Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 Inching toward paint. I have primed the underside and checked out a few joints that required some more work, but its getting there. Unfortunately I don’t think the nacelle/wing joints will ever be as good as I’d like, but being underneath wont really be on view. I have masked up the canopy and attached it, I bought the P-Mask set which is for the Do-215B-4 which has slightly different framing to the B-5, mostly due to the deletion of the forward firing mg for the co-pilot and provision of the night sight for the pilot, but also, for no apparent reason, at the rear of the canopy. Some little pieces of tape filled the gaps. Thanks for looking. AW 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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