Flying Pancake Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 From their Twitter/Facebook: 2022年春のサプライズ!! #モデルコレクト 大型新製品 1/72 Horten H.XVIII A Amnerikabomber ※全幅40㎝越えの巨大キット ※コックピット及び期待上面ターレット内部再現 ※キャノピーは開閉部分を別パーツ化 ※ランディングギアは開閉選択式 ※エンジン内部を部分再現 ※開閉選択式ウェポンベイ再現 https://twitter.com/rocket_models/status/1513455340431749125 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Source: https://twitter.com/rocket_models/status/1522092286095806465 V.P. Edited July 29, 2022 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I look forward to this model materialising, as I believe the old Sharkit offering had a very bad fit between the outer wings and the centre section - its no longer available anyway. The H.XVIIIA is of course a Luft 46 project and no original drawings exist, other than some artists impressions, so this is a reconstruction from those and known dimensions. Although the design is very elegant, it would never have been built as the Hortens formal design submission was the improbable looking H.XVIIIB with its huge spatted undercarriage and engines mounted either side of them. The designations A and B as far as I know, do not exist in any original documents. Contrary to the Hortens statements and those of other writers, Goering did not authorise construction and the H.XVIII was regarded purely as a design study. Myhras claims that a complete set of design drawings were completed is likewise unsupported and in reality they could not have been completed in the time available anyway. The story of the development of the H.XVIII A/B as told by the Hortens and recounted by Myhra, does not stand up to scrutiny as the timeline does not fit the few known facts. I am sure there are elements of truth there but the real story has yet to be uncovered. The model suggests an impressive array of external bombs and missiles. From my studies of the Hortens, I would question this. All Horten types had low directional stability and could yaw/crab unless constantly flown accurately, which is tiring. The additional external bombload MIGHT have been destabilising, if it was located forward of the CG and I wonder what would happen if the loads were dropped in pairs - would a bomb on one wing only, create a problematic assymetric yaw ? I am not an aerodynamicist and would welcome any informed comments. Please note that the superb and accurate drawings of the Ho,229 V3 and V3 by Arthur Bentley, show both bombs and drop tanks - but these are speculative and are NOT shown in any of the original construction drawings.. Paul 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Club Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 It has a better look than the B Model and in my point of view I won't install all these external stores... But I wonder when the kit will be available as Modelcollect announces some kits for years ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Whoop whoop! It never happened, but it's kinda cool, so who cares? Before the nay-sayers arrive, might I advise them to 🎵 walk on by 🎵 and let the people that are happy about it have some fun 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Mike - don't get me wrong - I do believe in whatever lights your candle. However I do think there is a line between Luft46 - i.e. late Luftwaffe projects that were on the drawing board and other things that were pure fantasy. Some modellers assume that just because a model is available, the subject existed as a design - such as the fantasy Horten crescent shaped wing with ramjets at each tip. Violet Club - I completely agree that the B model with spatted undercarriage is horrible - but the design was real and an original 3 view exists to prove it. Documents also show it was this variant that was submitted in competition with the Ju.287 and Me.P.1107/II. It appears that the Hortens were told that the engines were not to be placed internally - yet those of the P1107/II were internal. Its intriguing that the official assessment of the design couldn't really fault it but right concluded there might be significant unknowns and that it would take a lot of development. The Hortens were then told to cooperate with Junkers. This MIGHT have resulted in the EF130 design but there is no documentation to confirm. There is nothing to support the Hortens claims that Junkers added a large fin. Horten drawings of such a design are usually reproduced with the data panal cropped off - in fact its a postwar design. Horten claims that they were ordered to start construction in the huge bunker at Kahla have not ( as far as I know) been verified and does not fit in with the little surviving documentation. Many of the Hortens statements must be seen in the light of them being expert spin doctors who were trying to get emplyment in the postwar years. Anyhow - hope the kit materialises sooner rather than later. Paul 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Club Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I know that the B Version was the winning design, but I prefer the look of the A version because it has the more streamlined lines of a pure flying wing ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I completely agree ! I also remain skeptical about the ability to even build the H.XVIII in the Kahla bunker because it was so big - even when broken down into three components. It certainly couldn't be carried up to the mountain top runway on the lift because it was too big (and heavy ?) and the idea of taking it up in parts and then assembling it, is laughable. Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertone139 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Does it come with a Captain America versus Red Skull figure set? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus.Q1000859 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Robertone139 said: Does it come with a Captain America versus Red Skull figure set? That would make it! Maybe thingyverse has a couple of files of them to print Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhh Philistines ! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertone139 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I just wish they'd bring out the B-1 instead. Modelcollect seem to embrace procrastination even more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 Robertone, I have never been able to establish where the designation H.XVIII B-1 originated. Although the aircraft looks impressive, the drawing is dated 1946 - its definitely postwar. In my opinion, the date on the drawing might have been faked by the Hortens and its probab;ly much. probably later - if you look at the engine installations, they look like they have been copied from late 40's or early 50's American jet bombers. Tough news hearing that this model may take some time to materialise. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 In the Modelcollect homepage Source: http://www.modelcollect.com/horten-hoxviii-a V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Pancake Posted July 30, 2022 Author Share Posted July 30, 2022 Wonder why they brightened the colors on that box art. I liked the original better. Still looking forward to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Pancake Posted September 1, 2022 Author Share Posted September 1, 2022 Up for order now on HobbyLink Japan: https://www.hlj.com/1-72-scale-german-army-transcontinental-super-large-bomber-horten-h-18a-rct47046 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 £103.................. thats going to hurt. Probably reasonable considering its size and limited (?) sales. Even at that price I would welcome the H.XVIII B(sic) that was the final project variant submitted to the design competition. Manufacturers please note - there are still no kits of H.I, H.II, H.IIId/e, H.VI, H.V (except the ultra rare one by Fruitbat) and surpririsngly not the well known H.VIII flying wind tunnel. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just looked on Hannants site and this model isn't even listed as a Future Release. Then I noticed that although the model can be ordered from Hobbylink, its a December release - aiming to get some money in early to smooth the cashflow or to judge the amount of interest ? Can I safely assume that Hannants will stock it when its available ? Alternatively, if ordered from Hobbylink I assume its high postage plus import duty ???? Thanks for any info. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just to say that HLJ did confirm to me that they are VAT registered with HMRC and all my purchases since the new laws has not incurred any extra cost. You can always contact them to confirm. Regards Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 That info is much appreciated Robert. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 I am waiting for the Horten MMXXXXVVVIII- Hayfighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 I think you will find that wasn't a Horten design but an MGM production🙂 Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mu17 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I have just spotted the model for sale on Ebay at £144 ! For those with the space, it would make an interesting comparison with the Northrop bombers. This was never a really serious design - more of a publicity stunt to get attention within the RLM with its impressive perpective drawings. Even as a longtime Horten researcher, I shall stick to 1/144 for this one, so that I have the space to display it with a 1/144 He.177, Ju287, Me262 and Ho229 so that you can get a feeling for the vast size of the H.XVIII. Hopefully this might encourage someone to produce the 'b' (not the postwar B-1) but what about the H.VIII which was actually under construction or the H.V which has only been kitted in tiny numbers by Fruitbat Produtions decades ago. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Source: https://www.facebook.com/Fistofwar/posts/pfbid0CQ1SU8NnzaWabxF3FTNas5JsZ6Vg2t8z6NEntE3NJrbsVHhG1eyEqq6KvpYpnCtAl Quote modelcollect 1/72 ho18 on the way. V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) On aproach Source: https://www.facebook.com/Modelcollect/posts/pfbid0EXDGVy76aSRfiJHGjhazNJRwoYJn2nzzUotd83VMQcS1gebRuAKp2qFHZ1hJ15Gfl Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=598467578965539&set=pcb.598467665632197 V.P. Edited April 3, 2023 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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