shortCummins Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 I’m in a bit of a quandary, the wood and linen/canvas parts need a light base however the aluminium will need a black base. So my “problem” is do I apply both the light (white) and black primer and then apply the “final” paint, or do I apply the lighter paint, including shading etc. mask completed paint and then apply the black primer followed by the “metal” colours? Firstly I’m going to apply the Stynylrez white primer and leave it to cure overnight before deciding on if I apply the Stynylrez black primer or press on with the lined/canvas and wood colours. So here’s the Stynylrez white primer applied to the airframe and various control surfaces. Next I’ll either be applying black primer or paint. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmec Head Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 On 09/05/2022 at 12:01, shortCummins said: So I decided to add the rivet detail to the wing before attaching them to the fuselage as their slightly easier to handle. Firstly I roughly marked the rivet lines with a pencil… …and then used my “Rosie the Riveter” tool to add the rivets. The pencil marks were cleaned off with a couple of isopropyl wipes and then I fixed the wing to the fuselage. The seat & armour plate were “pushed” back against the airframe and fixed in place. Next I’ll be adding the remaining fuselage parts and preparing for paint. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) John did use a rivet plan please for the wings and if so, is it available to have a look at? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Olmec Head said: John did use a rivet plan please for the wings and if so, is it available to have a look at? PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 After letting the white primer cure overnight, not strictly necessary with Stynylrez I normally wait a maximum of 2 hours before applying mask or paint, but as there will be quite a lot of masking, more than usual?, leaving it to cure for a longer period isn’t going to hurt. For the fabric I’m using some MRP “clear doped linen” paints from their WWI range, MRP are my current favourite, I’ll be using: MRP-257 variant 1 for the base colour MRP-256 bleached for highlights MRP-258 variant 2 for shadow/darker areas MRP-257 laid down for the “base-colour” Next I’ll be adding the colour variations to the linen for highlights and shadows. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 12, 2022 Author Share Posted May 12, 2022 The “base” linen colour was left to cure for an hour or so and then certain areas were masked, especially for the fuselage ribs and MRP-256 bleached linen “highlights” were applied. I used heavily de-tacked Tamiya tape to mask the ribs… ...the tape overlayed each other and each strip of tape was removed once the MRP-256 was sprayed. The “lower” ribs and control surfaces were then masked… … and then MRP-258 sprayed. Next I’ll be adding the “base” paint for the plywood. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 That's one heck of a masking job! Well worth the effort you've put into it James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmec Head Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 00:51, shortCummins said: PM sent Thanks I have had a look and sent back a thank you email to you. Rivetting is a bit of a large step for me. I did do a Lancaster some time ago and sat down for a long while afterwards! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 15 hours ago, 81-er said: That's one heck of a masking job! Well worth the effort you've put into it James thanks James it took around 2 hours to mask, 5 minutes (at most) to spray, I couldn't have done without my Infini cutting board 12 hours ago, Olmec Head said: Thanks I have had a look and sent back a thank you email to you. Rivetting is a bit of a large step for me. I did do a Lancaster some time ago and sat down for a long while afterwards! thanks Olmec Head taking your time and practicing is the answer, I still know that I could do a better job, improving every time? rgds John(shortCummins) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 The highlights and shadows for the linen were a little too stark for my licking so they were all blended with an overspray of some diluted MRP-258 doped lined variant 2. Once I was happy with the look of the linen I masked the areas for the plywood sections and then applied the base colour for the wood with some MPR-259 WWI pale wood Next I’ll be preparing for the NMF paint. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81-er Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Excellent work again, John. I think you made the right call on the linen, that's blended it really nicely (not that it was bad before). James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, 81-er said: Excellent work again, John. I think you made the right call on the linen, that's blended it really nicely (not that it was bad before). James thanks James it was difficult to tell how much paint went down as the masking tape was virtually the same colour as the paint however a blend coat smoothed everything rgds John(shortCummins) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 Previously I’d tried to unify the highlights and shadows of the linen by over spraying with MRP-258 variant 2 however I wasn’t happy with the colour, to my eye it was a little too brown, so I gave it an overspray with some diluted MRP-257 doped linen variant 1. I’m happier with how it looks now, more on the grey side rather than brown, the colour shift is subtile, I’m not sure that the photo’s show it “properly” but “in real life” I’m far happier with it now. Having completed the linen and base for the plywood it was time for the NMF areas so the wood and linen was masked… …and I used some Stynylrez black primer to check the seam on the cowl. Once I was satisfied with the seam the rest of the metal parts were given a coat of Stynylrez black primer. Next I’ll be painting the NMF areas. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Hi John, I can’t believe I haven’t commented on this build before. I did start following it in the early stages then it seems to have fallen into one of my many blind spots! Your attention to detail is, as usual superb, and the riveting is amazing. I won’t deluge you with ‘ likes ‘ I’ll send you an IOU if you give me your bank details. 😜 Stay safe. John PS. It took three attempt to post this, don’t know what’s wrong with my machine! 🇺🇦 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Nice going John, that's some serious masking to get to this stage, great work fella, it's looking good. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackroadkill Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Wow, John, this is coming along brilliantly. Glad you're beating the kit into submission now, and those finishes are superb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 This is a spectacular project and great, creative paintwork. Really going to look the business after the next paint session! 😎 It's a great looking aeroplane when the metal is buffed up. I did the Rhodesian RATG plane a good while ago - I used sticky backed Ali foil on the metalwork - and it's a very nice thing to look at. Looking forward to seeing what you do with the bare metal 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 13, 2022 Author Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Biggles87 said: Hi John, I can’t believe I haven’t commented on this build before. I did start following it in the early stages then it seems to have fallen into one of my many blind spots! Your attention to detail is, as usual superb, and the riveting is amazing. I won’t deluge you with ‘ likes ‘ I’ll send you an IOU if you give me your bank details. 😜 Stay safe. John PS. It took three attempt to post this, don’t know what’s wrong with my machine! 🇺🇦 thanks John very occasionally my machine won't let me "like" posts, I find if I swear at it a couple of times things work eventually 😜 1 hour ago, bigbadbadge said: Nice going John, that's some serious masking to get to this stage, great work fella, it's looking good. Chris thanks Chris masking is a necessary evil, the Infini cutting mat makes making thin strips of tape a breeze, providing I use a "new" blade, still takes an age an gives me cramp in my shoulder blades. 1 hour ago, jackroadkill said: Wow, John, this is coming along brilliantly. Glad you're beating the kit into submission now, and those finishes are superb. thanks jackroadkill I've been pleasantly surprised by this kit, there are a couple of things I wish had been "better", the cockpit walls leave a lot to be desired but thanks to others oaths forum the fit of the fuselage/cockpit/wings has been very good. 31 minutes ago, rob Lyttle said: This is a spectacular project and great, creative paintwork. Really going to look the business after the next paint session! 😎 It's a great looking aeroplane when the metal is buffed up. I did the Rhodesian RATG plane a good while ago - I used sticky backed Ali foil on the metalwork - and it's a very nice thing to look at. Looking forward to seeing what you do with the bare metal 👍 thanks Rob I'll be using Extreme metals, I'm not brave enough to use Ali foil, I will be using serval shades to try and "give some visual interest", I don't plan to have all of the metal really shiny, I'll probably on have the spinner buffed, I've not fully decided just yet I'll see what she looks like as I go along. rgds John(shortCummins) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 To try and add some visual interest I’m going to use a number of different Xtreme Metal colours, AK479 aluminium, AK478 white aluminium, AK480 dark aluminium, AK481 polished aluminium, AK482 duraluminium, AK488 matte aluminium. “Best practice” is to use a gloss black undercoat, the theory is that the gloss will give you a far shinier metal finish however, I’m not too interested in a really shiny finish so for the majority of the airframe I’ll keep the Stynylrez black primer which is a satin finish. I’ll be attempting to make the spinner shiny so this was given a coat of MrColor GX2 gloss black thinned 50/50 with MrLeveling thinner, sanded/polished with 8000 and then 12000 grit, and then given another coat. The spinner was then given a coat of AK477 chrome. I must admit I’m not happy with the chrome, I’ll try again in the morning. I’m only using the chrome on the spinner, the rest of the airframe metal parts will be aluminium shades. I also gave a couple of panels a coat of GX2, while I had the paint in the airbrush, to try to give different sheens to the metal parts. Once the GX2 had cured, I left it overnight, I’m not sure if this was strictly necessary but better safe than sorry, I applied the “base” NMF colour of Xtreme Metal AK479 aluminium… Next I’ll be re-doing the spinner and adding the different Xtreme Metal colours to various panels. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Nice finish on the wings John. I’m a big fan of Extreme Metal paint, I find it much better than Alclad which I’ve never had much success with. I have tried varying the shine by using different undercoats, ( black and grey so far ) and have been quite pleased. The difference is very subtle, but then you don’t want a patchwork quilt effect do you. Probably too late for you now but worth considering for future projects. John 🇺🇦 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Biggles87 said: Nice finish on the wings John. I’m a big fan of Extreme Metal paint, I find it much better than Alclad which I’ve never had much success with. I have tried varying the shine by using different undercoats, ( black and grey so far ) and have been quite pleased. The difference is very subtle, but then you don’t want a patchwork quilt effect do you. Probably too late for you now but worth considering for future projects. John 🇺🇦 thanks for the tip John I agree about Extreme being better than Alclad, I've never had much success with them either. rgds John(shortCummins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 The Xtreme Metal AK479 aluminium was left to dry for an hour or so and then various panels were masked, with post-it notes, and then sprayed with different Xtreme Metal colours… AK478 white aluminium AK480 dark aluminium AK481 polished aluminium AK482 duraluminium AK488 matte aluminium. I wasn’t happy with the chrome finish on the spinner so I removed my first attempt… …a decided to spray the Xtreme metal chrome WITHOUT any “base coat”, just to see if it makes any difference. Its not as shinny as I’d hoped so I’ll try again. Next I’ll be painting the remaining parts. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Looking wonderful John with the differences in panel colours, the Spinner looked great to me after your first attempt. This is coming on very well fella. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, bigbadbadge said: Looking wonderful John with the differences in panel colours, the Spinner looked great to me after your first attempt. This is coming on very well fella. Chris thanks Chris I've redone the spinner (again) and its now as good as its going to get, as my old school reports (always) used to say "could do better" rgds John(shortCummins) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortCummins Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 Update20 by John Cummins, on Flickr Build log - 20 I wasn’t happy with the finish of the spinner so, third time lucky, I cleaned off the metal colour and use progressive grits of micro-mesh sanding sponges starting with 3200 and going thru 3600, 4000, 6000, 8000 and finishing 12000. For the previous version I didn’t use a “base” colour and as the finish wasn’t as shinny as I wanted I reverted to using some thinned MrColor GX2 gloss black. Then it was given a coat of Extreme metal chrome. This is “better” than previous attempts however I think because I’ve stripped, sanded and repainted this 3 times now I think this is probably the best I’m going to get without using a “new” spinner. The cockpit glazing was given a coat of Extreme metal AK479 aluminium, no base coat. Other parts were also sprayed the same colour. The real spinner plate was painted with Extreme metal chrome. Next I’ll be looking at the plywood “doghouse”. until next time as always, any suggestions, criticisms or comments will be gratefully received. rgds John(shortCummins) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbadge Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Looks good John , I liked it the first time !!! Great work fella. Chris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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