Tomjw Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Hi All, I've just picked up Trumpeter's 1/48 Su-24 kit and would like to deck her out in a weapons loadout which includes MERs and dumb bombs. What would be a typical loadout covering all weapons stations? Thanks, Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolay Polyakov Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Hello Tom! 54 minutes ago, Tomjw said: What would be a typical loadout covering all weapons stations? According to book by Efim Gordon and Keith Dexter, the typical Fencer loadout is described like this: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 Hi Nikolay, Thank you so much. That is really helpful. Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold55 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 I think it depends on where they are serving too. Su-24's in Syria rarely use precision weapons. There are a lot of pictures online that show the center pylons loaded up with dumb bombs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 here you have photos of Ukrainian Su-24s https://aminoapps.com/c/warfare-roleplay/page/item/sukhoi-su-24m/mmpr_gJI0I8gDkP758vxXQzmwgDj7lxMj that is what you can hang on... https://www.airliners.net/photo/Ukraine-Air-Force/Sukhoi-Su-24M/2432674/L maybe realistic for Syria https://www.altair.com.pl/news/view?news_id=18041&q=su-24 https://ar.pinterest.com/pin/su24-fully-loaded--290693350945384677/ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Russian_Air_Force_Sukhoi_Su-24_at_Latakia_Air_Base.jpg https://www.alamy.de/stockfoto-latakia-syrien-5-oktober-2015-russische-suchoi-su-24-angriff-flugzeuge-auf-dem-militarflugplatz-hmeymim-bildnachweis-itar-tass-fotoagenturalamy-live-nachrichten-88181830.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Thanks Exdraken. Some serious ordnance in those photos and really useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) More unguided bombs: http://oruzhie.info/images/stories/su-24-24m/su-24m-02.jpg But, for a splash of exoticism… Guided bombs: Air-to-surface rockets (unguided): A combination of unguided bombs and air-to-surface rockets: Air-to-surface missiles: http://авиару.рф/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/9.Su-24M-s-raketami-H-25ML..jpg A combination of unguided bombs and air-to-surface missiles: http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/matchast/37485d1333025056-su-24m_800.jpg/ Air-to-air missiles: A combination of air-to-air missiles (well, the racks for them, at any rate) and some kind of pod. Edited March 20, 2022 by Blimpyboy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 Thanks Blimpyboy. Some very interesting loadouts. You guys have given me much food for thought. Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Hello Tom, I built mine when the kit was first released "some" years ago. Fencer D has high payload on paper (8.000 kg IIRC) but in reality that severely restricts the aircraft's range. Most common war load is four 500 kilogram FAB (Fugasnaja Aviatsija Bomba). Most of the smart weapons seen at air shows are mock-ups and VVS units concentrates on dropping iron bombs when they go for their "Red Flag" exercises into the Live Weapons Range at Astrakhan. It looks like 60 % of the Trumpeter kit's part frames are for weapons. Despite the huge number of weapons provided you can't build the most common load of four FAB-500s. Those two bombs(!) in the box are also pretty bad examples of FAB-500s. You need to fix them and build the other two out of scratch. Also the adapters for these bombs are out of shape. An interesting subject would be one the Fencer Ds equipped with the modernized attack suite and avionics. The avionics upgrade package was designed and built by a government company Gefest i T. Their logo is painted on those Fencers carrying the new avionics pack. I haven't checked whether this logo is already available as after market. When I was building my model those planes were mainly based at Russian Air Force Academy at Lipetsk. Note that the "Chemodans" (as SU-24s are called in Russia) based at Lipetsk are kept in fresh paint and clean. Most operational units have now re-painted their SU-24s but normally they are pretty dirty. Especially on the undersides. I finished my model as "Blue 44" of 67.BAP based at Siiverska Air Base south-west of St Peterburg. The unit moved to Montsegorsk AB near Murmansk some years ago. Cheers, Antti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Tomjw said: Thanks Blimpyboy. Some very interesting loadouts. You guys have given me much food for thought. Cheers, Tom I hope we are seeing an appropriately armed Fencer here on BM in due course! it is a big kit, maybe you even manage to start a WIP thread! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold55 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Another thing to notice on the pictures is that almost all recent photos show the Su-24 without wing fences. I built mine of an aircraft serving in Syria and none of them had wing fences so a bit of work was needed to fill the slots but it was easy to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) For someting really different, how about the UPAZ-M refueling pod: https://defencehub.live/attachments/bombing31-jpg.11117/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/su_24_11-jpg.11115/ http://авиару.рф/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/3.Su-24M-TZ-na-rulezhke..jpg http://авиару.рф/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1.Takticheskij-toplivozapravshhik-Su-24M-TZ..jpg https://theiranproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sukhoi-Warplane.jpg http://авиару.рф/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/4.Su-24MK-VVS-Irana-v-tegeranskom-aeroportu-Mehrabad.-Aprel-2014-g..jpg And, because they're interesting, more weapons loads: https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bvc8825ecfa151pqn4_800C450.jpg https://defencehub.live/attachments/bombing25-jpg.11116/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/9gieiexixm0-jpg.37082/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/vr5scsdhaii-jpg.37086/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/pihm-vhkjec-jpg.37094/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/q6eob0lm4go-jpg.37095/ https://defencehub.live/attachments/35c085885f0c-jpg.30508/ Edited March 20, 2022 by Blimpyboy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 Wow @Blimpyboy those photos are awesome. Especially the Fencer flying in formation with the airliner. Thankyou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 23 hours ago, exdraken said: I hope we are seeing an appropriately armed Fencer here on BM in due course! it is a big kit, maybe you even manage to start a WIP thread! I think that could definitely be arranged. Cheers, Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 23 hours ago, Antti_K said: Hello Tom, I built mine when the kit was first released "some" years ago. Fencer D has high payload on paper (8.000 kg IIRC) but in reality that severely restricts the aircraft's range. Most common war load is four 500 kilogram FAB (Fugasnaja Aviatsija Bomba). Most of the smart weapons seen at air shows are mock-ups and VVS units concentrates on dropping iron bombs when they go for their "Red Flag" exercises into the Live Weapons Range at Astrakhan. It looks like 60 % of the Trumpeter kit's part frames are for weapons. Despite the huge number of weapons provided you can't build the most common load of four FAB-500s. Those two bombs(!) in the box are also pretty bad examples of FAB-500s. You need to fix them and build the other two out of scratch. Also the adapters for these bombs are out of shape. An interesting subject would be one the Fencer Ds equipped with the modernized attack suite and avionics. The avionics upgrade package was designed and built by a government company Gefest i T. Their logo is painted on those Fencers carrying the new avionics pack. I haven't checked whether this logo is already available as after market. When I was building my model those planes were mainly based at Russian Air Force Academy at Lipetsk. Note that the "Chemodans" (as SU-24s are called in Russia) based at Lipetsk are kept in fresh paint and clean. Most operational units have now re-painted their SU-24s but normally they are pretty dirty. Especially on the undersides. I finished my model as "Blue 44" of 67.BAP based at Siiverska Air Base south-west of St Peterburg. The unit moved to Montsegorsk AB near Murmansk some years ago. Cheers, Antti Hi Antii, Thanks for the info. The Fencer is an aircraft I know little about so all information is good. Yes, I have many Trumpeter kits and they seem to be mostly of weapons with a few aircraft thrown in almost as a bonus 😂. I tend to go for aftermarket weapons, mainly because I hate sorting out the seams. So my spares box will be full of unused weapons which are the wrong shape anyway 🤔 Thanks again, Tom 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Harold55 said: Another thing to notice on the pictures is that almost all recent photos show the Su-24 without wing fences. I built mine of an aircraft serving in Syria and none of them had wing fences so a bit of work was needed to fill the slots but it was easy to do. Thanks Harold. I wouldn't have spotted that. Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Something very attractive about the Sudanese Air Force Fencers, lovely scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Hello Tom & Co., The wing fences were a feature of the earlier marks (like SU-24C) and the original export version of SU-24D. They weren't attached into those Ds destined for VVS. The export version had also different attack and avionics suite, so check all references carefully if you choose to model one of these. Cheers, Antti 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/20/2022 at 10:55 AM, Antti_K said: Hello Tom & Co., The wing fences were a feature of the earlier marks (like SU-24C) and the original export version of SU-24D. They weren't attached into those Ds destined for VVS. The export version had also different attack and avionics suite, so check all references carefully if you choose to model one of these. Cheers, Antti Thanks Antti. I certainly will check my references. Cheers, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMP2 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/20/2022 at 10:55 AM, Antti_K said: Hello Tom & Co., The wing fences were a feature of the earlier marks (like SU-24C) and the original export version of SU-24D. They weren't attached into those Ds destined for VVS. The export version had also different attack and avionics suite, so check all references carefully if you choose to model one of these. Cheers, Antti Re the wing fences - my understanding is that such things were fitted to keep air in place over the wings at lower speeds/higher angles of attack. They are very large on the 24 suggesting they are very much required - any idea why they would remove them on what appear to be otherwise very similar airframes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antti_K Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 I'm not 100% certain but I think the fences had something to do with the larger weapon pylons used on C -model and export Ds. Such things can cause severe problems with stability. For example MiG-21 which had one of the best aerodynamics ever, became a beast with the center line pylon attached. Everything was pretty smooth if you carried something, but carry an empty CL pylon and the plane wouldn't fly straight. The very same phenomenon occurred with our Learjet 24 equipped for special missions; with an empty center line pylon (even though a small one) the plane was wandering from side to side. Cheers, Antti 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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