Reini78 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 And here´s the next French subject, gonna convert Tamiya´s A-1H to an AD-4 DSC_0005 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr gonna do 20-FX DSC_0006 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 started to paint the cockpit DSC_0003 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 some drybrushing for the side instruments, decals for IB and seatbelts DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franky boy Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Nice start Reini Is there much to change to get an AD-4? I ask as I have a lab to build a Skyraider in Korean War markings. Thanks James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 hours ago, franky boy said: Nice start Reini Is there much to change to get an AD-4? I ask as I have a lab to build a Skyraider in Korean War markings. Thanks James Hi James! It´s possible that my dad will build a Korean War Skyraider too afterwards 😁 The position light on the rudder fin has to be removed. Older Skyraider models had different antenna arrangements and/or less antennas, so, depending on the subject you want to build, remove or reposition the antennas. The AD-4 had different inner wing pylons, gonna take them from an old Esci kit. As far as the central pylon is concerned, haven´t found a good pic yet to say if it looks like the one in the Tamiya kit or different. All 1/48 AD-4 and A-1H/J, Tamiya, Esci, Monogram, come with the additional armour plates on the cockpit sides, belly and wing roots. Looked through pics of Korean War birds, seems they all had no add on armour. So either you sand the armoured areas down or you don´t care if you want to do a Korean plane. Using this French modeling site for reference for the French AD-4 https://www.lesmaquettistes.com/t5119-ad-4-skyraider-n123895-sferma-110-de-l-ec-3-20-tamiya-1-48 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Scroll all the way down for the early center "pylon" (there wasn't one): https://tailhooktopics.blogspot.com/2015/07/douglas-ad-1-skyraider-pylons.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 11:40 AM, franky boy said: Is there much to change to get an AD-4? I ask as I have a lab to build a Skyraider in Korean War markings. Looked again for Korean War pics, found some, that had the additional armour plates. It´s often hard to distinct on these old pics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Reini78 said: Looked again for Korean War pics, found some, that had the additional armour plates. It´s often hard to distinct on these old pics. The additional protection was added during the Korean war to previously delivered ADs. The most obvious indication is the step on the side of the fuselage for cockpit access. Without the "armor" addition, it's a kick-in panel; with, it's a fixed step. Also see https://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2013/07/ad-armor-all.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 I´ve seen that AD-4N planes had a small bulge in the outer underwing areas.....was that a formation/position light? landing light? or something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 3:21 PM, Reini78 said: Using this French modeling site for reference for the French AD-4 https://www.lesmaquettistes.com/t5119-ad-4-skyraider-n123895-sferma-110-de-l-ec-3-20-tamiya-1-48 This is an excellent reference, Reini, but not at that price! It is normally around £30 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skyraider-français-Sébastien-Guillemin/dp/2914017650 Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 23 hours ago, Reini78 said: I´ve seen that AD-4N planes had a small bulge in the outer underwing areas.....was that a formation/position light? landing light? or something else? On the underside? I'm away from my files but I'm pretty sure that it was a pair of antennas, probably DECM, that were not on all AD-4Ns. There were also a pair of radome-like antennas on some AD-4Ns adjacent on the wing leading edge just inboard of the forward facing main landing gear door; photographs of ADs with them are rarer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Tailspin Turtle said: On the underside? I'm away from my files but I'm pretty sure that it was a pair of antennas, probably DECM, that were not on all AD-4Ns. There were also a pair of radome-like antennas on some AD-4Ns adjacent on the wing leading edge just inboard of the forward facing main landing gear door; photographs of ADs with them are rarer. here on the first pic, left wing https://www.skytamer.com/Douglas_AD-4N.html here on the right wing https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Douglas_AD-4N_Skyraider_BuNo_127002_5_(5921528663).jpg http://www.frenchwings.net/algeria/gallery/displayimage.php?album=7&pid=158#top_display_media seems also earlier versions had them, see picture left https://www.pinterest.com/donjunis/korean-war-skyraider/ as I´ve seen, not all AD-4N had them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share Posted March 20, 2022 fast progress thanks to the Tamiya quality DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 all control surfaces and flaps added tailfin position light removed DSC_0003 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 primed the whole thing red and black trim sprayed on ADF antenna moved from the spine to the belly DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Hello Reini !! AD-4 now !! Great choice, I almost finished mine... Sanded the armour, changed the pylons, antennas and so on... But, I worked on the old Monogram kit, so, changed the engine cowling and so on.... Huh !! as I choose an AD-4NA, I also added the side doors... Well, engreved the panel lines too... The best to do is carefully followed pics of the time being... The Spad has oftenly been modified and then modification of the previous modif.... If you need the scoop on the back, I can send one.... Just PM me... Sincerely. CC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, corsaircorp said: Hello Reini !! AD-4 now !! Great choice, I almost finished mine... Sanded the armour, changed the pylons, antennas and so on... But, I worked on the old Monogram kit, so, changed the engine cowling and so on.... Huh !! as I choose an AD-4NA, I also added the side doors... Well, engreved the panel lines too... The best to do is carefully followed pics of the time being... The Spad has oftenly been modified and then modification of the previous modif.... If you need the scoop on the back, I can send one.... Just PM me... Sincerely. CC Already looked through your two Skyraider WIP threads, a lot of good work Thanks for the offer, but no scoop needed for this one. Cheers, Reinhard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 cut away the kit´s UKW antenna and moved it more to the rear, new one done with plastic sheet also the "hook" antenna is done with plastic sheet painted the model with AK Xtreme Metal White Aluminium DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 colour brings a model to life DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr as mentioned, gonna use the early style inner wing pylons from an old Esci kit and gonna use the drop tanks too the tanks are smooth on the upperside, no structure or attachment points, doing some scratchbuilding there DSC_0003 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Wow, Reini @Reini78, that is great looking aluminium finish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 @Tailspin Turtle have you found out yet what the little underwing bulges on most AD-4N(A) are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: Wow, Reini @Reini78, that is great looking aluminium finish! Is it compatable with other enamel paints? I use Colourcoats but they dont do metallics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reini78 Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: Is it compatable with other enamel paints? I use Colourcoats but they dont do metallics Sorry, can´t tell, haven´t used the AK Xtreme Metal Colors with other enamel paints yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/29/2022 at 11:15 AM, Reini78 said: @Tailspin Turtle have you found out yet what the little underwing bulges on most AD-4N(A) are? Not yet; I'm working on a more complete report since I noticed that they were not mentioned in this excellent reference: http://www.aeroresearchcds.com/book_shelf.htm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) On 3/29/2022 at 11:15 AM, Reini78 said: @Tailspin Turtle have you found out yet what the little underwing bulges on most AD-4N(A) are? Quick answer; also wrong, they house AN/ARA VHF/UHF direction-finding antennas. The spec I have states its plastic cover was 16 inches long, 14 1/2 inches wide, and six inches deep. They appear to be fairly standard on the AD-4Q and -4N/NA/NL (the difference is that the NA had all the all-weather strike avionics removed so it could carry a full bomb load and the NL had deicing boots on the leading edges of the wings and empennage). More later... Edited March 31, 2022 by Tailspin Turtle Misled by a typo by a book 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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