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The tale of two Empires. 1/72 Short S.23 and S.21


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The subject speaks for itself.  Beautiful CMR kit of S.23 and old Contrail Maia S.21 vacform. 

 

I have already built Mercury

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so Maia awaits! WIP and more pics: 

 

Chances that I will complete these two in time are negligible but I usually use GBs to start kits, not to finish them :)

 

Content of the boxes:

 

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I have cut the fuselage and wings to perform some measurements and accuracy assessments 


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S.23 is slightly longer, as expected


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It also should have wider wingspan 


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Fit is OK for vacform


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Kit drawing measurement gives a correct span of 480 mm that roughly matches 114 feet in 1/72 


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But .... 


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Some 9 mm are lost on each side. Where?

 

1. Wingtip is about 5mm too short

 

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Another 4 mm are lost at wing root
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I haven't measured S.23 yet, but it seems to me the wingspan should be slightly wider too
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I don't like the nose, cockpit should be moved ~10 mm astern. I am not sure about the wing, need more careful studying but it may need to be moved astern too. All the cabin windows are way off


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Should be a splendid subject, I will watch with interest:thumbsup:

 

Does anybody mould a Short G Class - now that would be a spectacular build, particularly in RAF service with 2 x 4 gun BP upper turrets?

 

Pete

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Whatan excellent subject.  This should be an epic model and will be one of the biggest and most British things ever. 

I hope you can complete this during the Group  build. 

 

I searched for your mercury build article but cannot find any.  Can you post a link or some more pictures of her. 

 

Colin 

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2 hours ago, Colin W said:

I searched for your mercury build article but cannot find any.  Can you post a link or some more pictures of her. 

 

Colin, the link is in the very first message, just click on it  :)

 

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4 hours ago, CliffB said:

Will you be staying 'full hull', or water-lining them?

These are planes, not ships. Even waterlined ships seem somewhat castrated to me 

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Added two inserts to increase wingspan to match the scale

 

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Panel lines are drawn according to photos. Moved windows but some proportions are off and cannot be fixed without major surgery


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Strips of transparent plastic, sanded smooth and polished
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Copied engines, props and cowlings from S.23
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Nice to see an S23 in progress. Interesting to see it next to the S21 - it seems bizarre to me that Shorts designed a whole new aeroplane to act as a launcher for the Mercury. 

 

I have a home made S23 vac sitting on my printer waiting for me to pick it up again, but I will watch yours instead for now! 
 

Regards,

Adrian

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I think an Empire would have had trouble getting off the ground with a fully loaded Mercury on top.  A bigger wing and more powerful(?) engines would make a lot of difference.

 

Oops.  Water, of course.  Change to "getting into the air",

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I will follow your build with interest. I also have the Maya (the Aircraft in Miniature version, with thicker black plastic) and the CMR Empire to make. The Maya have the parts already cut and sanded, if I remember well. May be its time to bring it closer to the work bench.

 

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I am delighted to announce that the project is officially resurrected and accepted into the "Golden Age of Transport" GB 

 

I have redone the transparencies on the starboard, sanded smooth, polished and masked. Marked and cut the window holes on portboard as well 

 

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Also cut an opening for the cockpit


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I haven't been doing any resin casting for some while and was not sure that my silicons and resin are still usable but it seems like they still work. As to the cockpit floor it is easier to make it from plastic sheet rather than copy the resin part

 

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These are wonderful contributions to the groupbuild. Your vacuform handling is superb. Hail to a fellow 'this-is-not-OOB' modeller!

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Used resin copies of Empire cockpit, Sundreland etched parts, decal leftovers and some scratch building to make the cockpit look busy. 
Took me just over 2 years to close the fuselage. Some people say that the model is 20% done after that :) 
Joining two vacformed halves together is the rate occasion when I prefer to use two component epoxy glue to superglue. It fills the gaps and creates super strong bond.

I am filling drilled windows with PVA. I will sand and paint over, after the final finish is done I will remove cured film with knife and twizers and fill the hole with PVA again that will cure transparent. This technique saves me from masking.
Vacformed windshield is from Empire kit - they kindly give two vacformed and one transparent resin ones. Very generous.

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Glad to see you continuing to work on this one Alexey :speak_cool:

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On 3/10/2022 at 10:51 PM, PeterB said:

Should be a splendid subject, I will watch with interest:thumbsup:

 

Does anybody mould a Short G Class - now that would be a spectacular build, particularly in RAF service with 2 x 4 gun BP upper turrets?

 

Pete

If by G class you mean the Short Shetland the Yes. A 1/144 scale resin kit by S & M models. I have one in the stash 😊

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This build is of particular interest to me as I have the vac kit and that big resin thingy. Unfortunately I've only got as far as acquiring four Matchbox Seafoxes to nick the nose off to enhance the Mercury.

 

Going with the Vac fuselage modified seems the best option as I was seriously contemplating a deep kit bash with the resin kit.

 

The vac is a bit 'If I was going there I wouldn't start here' , Which is why Adrian MF probably started the scratchbuild 😊

 

 

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@Adrian Hills I think I still have these Napier Rapier forms somewhere in silicon vaults. This is not the quality of commercial resin replacement parts, of course

 

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 I was seriously contemplating a deep kit bash with the resin kit.

 

Not too many parts can be used. Cockpit, cowlings, airscrews, floaters. The large parts - wings, empennage, fuselage are way too different

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