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JG54 Bf109E - info on Lt. Stendl's aircraft?


WLJayne

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Hi everyone, I'm trying work out some details about this aircraft. Some sources say it's an E-7, other an E-4. It was flown by Lt. Paul Steindl of II./JG54 in 1941.

 

There is a lot of conflicting information on this aircraft, and as I would like to represent this scheme on our E-7 box, I want to make sure that it indeed is (or was converted to) and E-7. Also some schemes show it with yellow trailing edges, some without. It doesn't feature in any of the books I have, so if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be wonderful. Thanks so much all :)

 

EDIT: I found another image below, it appears to be from a French book claiming that this aircraft was an E-4/B or E-7, and took part in Operation Marita in April 1941. Seems pretty reliable?

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53 minutes ago, Adam Poultney said:

That will be an interesting one to paint on 1/144!

It will but I think it'll look good even if brush painted. The other scheme in the box will be a bit less involved, but I'm trying to create as much variation and interest across the Emil range as we can :).

 

I notice airfix has done this scheme as an E-7. Hopefully someone will be able to clear this up!

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How would you build an E4 with ETC 500 bomb rack (and a pointed spinner) in a different way than an E7?

 

Other "related" pics:

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Campagne-France-1941-01.html

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Arad-Rumania-1941-03.html

 

Would I trust any profile or my eyes? No, never! Can I tell 02 (on a trailing wing edge) from Dunkelgrün or 04 from 02?

 

https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/balkan-und-kretaeinsatz-beim-jagdgeschwader-77-messerschmitt-bf-109-im-fronteinsatz/

 

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23 minutes ago, Jochen Barett said:

How would you build an E4 with ETC 500 bomb rack (and a pointed spinner) in a different way than an E7?

 

Other "related" pics:

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Campagne-France-1941-01.html

https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Arad-Rumania-1941-03.html

 

Would I trust any profile or my eyes? No, never! Can I tell 02 (on a trailing wing edge) from Dunkelgrün or 04 from 02?

 

https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/balkan-und-kretaeinsatz-beim-jagdgeschwader-77-messerschmitt-bf-109-im-fronteinsatz/

 

image-169Gallery-22342bd9-1221691.jpg

 

image-169Gallery-1c336a56-1221700.jpg

Those are very useful sources! Many thanks! It does seem like this has all of the parts that were added to the Emil in E-7 variants.

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My "jump to conclusion" is: The "excessive" yellow markings (fuselage band, wing trailing edges, maybe wing tips) were added at the Balkans.

 

But I wonder what colors were used on the fuselage camo pattern.

"Black 10" looks like 70/71 on the fuselage to me.

The chevron-5 profile looks like 02/7x to me and the B&W pics make my brain spin, the lighter of the two dark colors looks darker than 02 to me (emphasis on "to me"!).

 

I think there is some latitude to use one's own brain and wait for more educated guesses (higher number, not more educated) by fellow modellers.

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On 1/21/2022 at 2:17 PM, Jochen Barett said:

My "jump to conclusion" is: The "excessive" yellow markings (fuselage band, wing trailing edges, maybe wing tips) were added at the Balkans.

 

But I wonder what colors were used on the fuselage camo pattern.

"Black 10" looks like 70/71 on the fuselage to me.

The chevron-5 profile looks like 02/7x to me and the B&W pics make my brain spin, the lighter of the two dark colors looks darker than 02 to me (emphasis on "to me"!).

 

I think there is some latitude to use one's own brain and wait for more educated guesses (higher number, not more educated) by fellow modellers.

I think as with almost all of these, we can never really know. But as long as the scheme presented is plausible, then that's a good starting point for most modellers I think :)

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