WLJayne Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Hi everyone, I'm trying work out some details about this aircraft. Some sources say it's an E-7, other an E-4. It was flown by Lt. Paul Steindl of II./JG54 in 1941. There is a lot of conflicting information on this aircraft, and as I would like to represent this scheme on our E-7 box, I want to make sure that it indeed is (or was converted to) and E-7. Also some schemes show it with yellow trailing edges, some without. It doesn't feature in any of the books I have, so if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be wonderful. Thanks so much all ! EDIT: I found another image below, it appears to be from a French book claiming that this aircraft was an E-4/B or E-7, and took part in Operation Marita in April 1941. Seems pretty reliable? Edited January 21, 2022 by WLJayne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 That will be an interesting one to paint on 1/144! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLJayne Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Adam Poultney said: That will be an interesting one to paint on 1/144! It will but I think it'll look good even if brush painted. The other scheme in the box will be a bit less involved, but I'm trying to create as much variation and interest across the Emil range as we can :). I notice airfix has done this scheme as an E-7. Hopefully someone will be able to clear this up! Edited January 21, 2022 by WLJayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) How would you build an E4 with ETC 500 bomb rack (and a pointed spinner) in a different way than an E7? Other "related" pics: https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Campagne-France-1941-01.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Arad-Rumania-1941-03.html Would I trust any profile or my eyes? No, never! Can I tell 02 (on a trailing wing edge) from Dunkelgrün or 04 from 02? https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/balkan-und-kretaeinsatz-beim-jagdgeschwader-77-messerschmitt-bf-109-im-fronteinsatz/ Edited January 21, 2022 by Jochen Barett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLJayne Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, Jochen Barett said: How would you build an E4 with ETC 500 bomb rack (and a pointed spinner) in a different way than an E7? Other "related" pics: https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Campagne-France-1941-01.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG54-Stab/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7B-Stab-II.JG54-Paul-Steindl-Arad-Rumania-1941-03.html Would I trust any profile or my eyes? No, never! Can I tell 02 (on a trailing wing edge) from Dunkelgrün or 04 from 02? https://www.flugrevue.de/klassiker/balkan-und-kretaeinsatz-beim-jagdgeschwader-77-messerschmitt-bf-109-im-fronteinsatz/ Those are very useful sources! Many thanks! It does seem like this has all of the parts that were added to the Emil in E-7 variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen Barett Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 My "jump to conclusion" is: The "excessive" yellow markings (fuselage band, wing trailing edges, maybe wing tips) were added at the Balkans. But I wonder what colors were used on the fuselage camo pattern. "Black 10" looks like 70/71 on the fuselage to me. The chevron-5 profile looks like 02/7x to me and the B&W pics make my brain spin, the lighter of the two dark colors looks darker than 02 to me (emphasis on "to me"!). I think there is some latitude to use one's own brain and wait for more educated guesses (higher number, not more educated) by fellow modellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLJayne Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 2:17 PM, Jochen Barett said: My "jump to conclusion" is: The "excessive" yellow markings (fuselage band, wing trailing edges, maybe wing tips) were added at the Balkans. But I wonder what colors were used on the fuselage camo pattern. "Black 10" looks like 70/71 on the fuselage to me. The chevron-5 profile looks like 02/7x to me and the B&W pics make my brain spin, the lighter of the two dark colors looks darker than 02 to me (emphasis on "to me"!). I think there is some latitude to use one's own brain and wait for more educated guesses (higher number, not more educated) by fellow modellers. I think as with almost all of these, we can never really know. But as long as the scheme presented is plausible, then that's a good starting point for most modellers I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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