RidgeRunner Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 11/11/2022 at 3:00 PM, Hook said: Following with interest! Cheers, Andre And you will be very welcome, Andre. I’m hoping the kit will be a good build despite all the necessary chopping about. The Vespa resin for the Tumansky resin looks good. I am debating in my mind whether to wait for a Vespa nose set or to use the larger nose section from a Mistercraft kit. I need to compare the latter with 1/72 drawings. My chosen subject machine has a few sensors that weren’t on other Peruvian Fitter-Fs so that should add something different as well as the MDB3 MERs ;). Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 So, I continue to wrestle with the modelling demons in my head that keep saying "Fitter!, Fitter!, Fitter!" and so to appease them to some degree I am posting a small milestone in this project. This is the arrival today of the Latin Wings 4 book "Su-22 Fitter" by Amaru Tincopa (@AmaruTG). It covers both variants when in service with the Fuerza Aerea Del Peru. Who knows, it may well be the incentive I need to break plastic on this one ;). In an ideal world, though, I'd like to understand Vespa's position on a nose conversion. My current option is to use a Mistercraft part, which isnt too bad, actually. I still need to match it against a scale drawing, though! Martin 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 20 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Who knows, it may well be the incentive I need to break plastic on this one Well, I took the plunge! I had a short time available and so I thought I'd take a closer look at the nose of this machine versus the Modelsvit kit. So, with the fuselage halves separated as well as the extended nose from the Mistercraft, I set about merging the two as a dry fit to see where the differences really lie. My impression had been that the long nose was a different basic shape and significantly longer. However, I seem to have disproved that, with the original nose/intake area matching the contrours of the longer version. It seems that it just needs a wide intake ring. I reckon I could get that by cutting back the Mistercraft parts. I would also need to get the sensor separated from that same part too but it shouldn't be beyond my meagre abilities. See what you think - I'd value thoughts from the collective Remember it is a loose dry fit. The diameter of the fuselage seems to match at the break point. Note, though, that someone at either Mistercraft or Modelsvit got the nosewheel void in the wrong place! My alternative to adding just a longer intake ring would be to remove the corresponding nose on the Modelsvit. The advantage then is the detail (such as it is) as well as having the sensor etc all in the correct places without butchery. I would need to cut out the coaming area but that wouldn't pose any problem. The leading edge of the Mistercraft part would neeed a little sanding to get a better thin edge, but that is all. Back soon with a look at the back end! Martin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 I've found an image of a Peruvian Su-22M2K with these hanging off the wing! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Just to wrap up today's activities, a drawing to show the various sources that will comprise this build: This is the Su-22M2K: In addition there will be resin tanks, MERs, cockpit and seat, wheels, etc. Martin 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Nice! You may already know this, but the nose of the Su-17M-2 / Su-20M/Su-22 - the variants with the Doppler housing, Fitters are almost as confusing as Bf 109's! - was drooped compared to the Su-17M / Su-20 versions, with the intake lower to the ground. Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 55 minutes ago, Hook said: was drooped compared to the Su-17M / Su-20 versions, with the intake lower to the ground. Hi Andre, to be honest, no. I hadn’t and haven’t seen this in any of my references. The drawing above is labelled a S-32M2K. Do you have example photos please so that I understand what you mean? Thanks a lot. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: Hi Andre, to be honest, no. I hadn’t and haven’t seen this in any of my references. The drawing above is labelled a S-32M2K. Do you have example photos please so that I understand what you mean? Thanks a lot. I don't have any photo's from the same angle to show the slight droop, but it is mentioned in the Yefim Gordon / Sergey and Dmitriy Komissarov tome on the Fitter. When I compare the seperate noses in my MasterCraft knockoff of the Pantera Su-20 kit, the one with the doppler housing sits at an angle compared with the Fitter-C style front end, with the intake lower. HTH! Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Okey dokey, I will take a look 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Hook said: I don't have any photo's from the same angle to show the slight droop, but it is mentioned in the Yefim Gordon / Sergey and Dmitriy Komissarov tome on the Fitter. Where is it mentioned in that book, Andre. It’s a big one so it will save me reading it for the next month! Thanks mate. Martin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 You never choose a simple subject Martin... Stuart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Courageous said: You never choose a simple subject Martin... Stuart nope! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Where is it mentioned in that book, Andre. It’s a big one so it will save me reading it for the next month! Thanks mate. Martin @Hook Andre, I may have confused things by starting out with a Polish build. What I am now building is a Su-22M2K (S-32M2K) Fitter-F, known by the Peruvians locally as a Su-22A. Like this: Credit: public domain To do this, apart from the Tumansky rear end I will use the longer, drooped, Doppler-equipped nose from a Mistercraft kit. It has this nose as a spare in all their kits. Am I on the right track? Also, I need to confirm the AAMs these carried. Photos show then carrying “sidewinder-like” missiles on the inner pylons. I’m no missile expert but guess they might be French or Israeli. The latter did a lot of overhaul and update work on these aircraft. Any ideas? Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: Also, I need to confirm the AAMs these carried. Photos show then carrying “sidewinder-like” missiles on the inner pylons. I’m no missile expert but guess they might be French or Israeli. The latter did a lot of overhaul and update work on these aircraft. Any ideas? Peru has Atoll missiles, so there's a high likelihood that's what you're looking at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, billn53 said: Peru has Atoll missiles, so there's a high likelihood that's what you're looking at. Thanks Bill. In fact I just landed on a great website covering Peruvian Fitters and it quotes “Advanced Atolls”. I will have to go on a search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 Giorgio @Giorgio N has found this: https://dukmodell.com/Preview/Su-17M2-conversion-set-for-Modelsvit-1-72::30675.html Sadly it isn’t in stock anywhere :(. I will have to stick to my plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 11 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Thanks Bill. In fact I just landed on a great website covering Peruvian Fitters and it quotes “Advanced Atolls”. I will have to go on a search K-13M's. These are the later IR version, with a black nose and forward fins. Eduards 1/72nd MiG-21 has a pair of these and the associated BD3-60-21D rails. HTH, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Hook said: These are the later IR version, with a black nose and forward fins Hi Andre, the photo above and other photos show red rounded nose and white forward fins 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, RidgeRunner said: Hi Andre, the photo above and other photos show red rounded nose and white forward fins 🤔 Ah! These are your default R-3 Soviet AIM-9B copies, then. The Su-22 Fitter-F was capable of the K-13, there are shots of Lybian #5814 carrying them on the inner wings. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 https://www.laahs.com/the-sukhoi-su-22-in-peruvian-service/ https://www.theepochtimes.com/peruvian-jet-pilot-tells-of-tangle-with-ufo_37316.html You might find these useful - they only show the vanilla R-3's, not the "Advanced" Atoll variant. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billn53 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 3 hours ago, RidgeRunner said: Hi Andre, the photo above and other photos show red rounded nose and white forward fins 🤔 The red you see is, I believe, a protective cover for the IR seeker optics. With the cover removed the optical window on front of the missile appears black. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Hook said: Ah! These are your default R-3 Soviet AIM-9B copies, then. The Su-22 Fitter-F was capable of the K-13, there are shots of Lybian #5814 carrying them on the inner wings. Cheers, Andre Excellent. Thanks as always, Andre. Here they are on another airframe. The next question is where I can source these Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Are these what you are looking for Martin? :- https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ED672104?result-token=VgMUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsaircorp Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Another interesting build Martin !! I'll follow if you don't mind it !! Sincerely. CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidgeRunner Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jabba said: Are these what you are looking for Martin? :- https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/ED672104?result-token=VgMUE Thanks, Mark. I just need to check the spares box. I have loads of Eduard MiG-21 bits. Maybe? 4 minutes ago, corsaircorp said: Another interesting build Martin !! I'll follow if you don't mind it !! Sincerely. CC And you are very welcome, mate Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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