Harry_the_Spider Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Is there a Tamiya equivalent? Going to my L.M.S. at the weekend with a shopping list and a pile of cash. They do Humbrol acrylics if there isn't one, but my preference is Tamiya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 FAA Phantoms weren't painted blue; upper surfaces were Extra Dark Sea Grey for which I know of no direct Tamiya equivalent. Humbrol 125 is a good match. Thex EDSG on FAA hansom seemed to weather quite quickly to something approaching Dark Sea Grey but with bit of a blue cast: as always try to get images of your chosen subject and maybe be prepared for a bit if mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_the_Spider Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 OK. Italeri have it as a blue. Got plenty of EDSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Harry_the_Spider said: Italeri have it as a blue. Never trust the colour suggestions of a brand with its own paints to push - according to my Italeri instructions, Bf 109F's have FS36375 Light Ghost Gray lower surfaces. Cheers, Andre 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) EDSG often shows up with a bluish hue in photos, but it really is a dark grey. As Andre says, you can't always trust Italeri's painting instructions. 😉 Edited January 10, 2022 by Paul Bradley 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treker_ed Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 @Harry_the_Spider According to Hobby Colour Converter app - Humbrol 123 (which incidentally is EDSG), XF-91 IJN (Yokosuka Arsenal) Gray is a 99% match to Humbrol 123. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Humbrol 123 would be a match for fresh EDSG, Humbrol 125 for a quite faded coat. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1608 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 There’s a thread on here somewhere that gives a Tamiya mix for EDSG. I’ve painted a sea vixen and a buccaneer with it, and it looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Brown Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I found this for a Tamiya mix, but I don't know how accurate it is: 50 parts XF24 (dark grey), 6 parts XF2 (white), 3 parts XF8 (flat blue) Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1608 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 This was the mix I found on here, can’t remember who posted it, but all credit to them, whoever it was Base coat of EDSG is on! This is my home brew EDSG - 6 parts XF-24 Dark Grey, 2 parts XF-54 Dark Sea Grey, 1 part XF-50 Field Blue; subsequent coats will be that mix with varying degrees of lightening to break up the large expanses of the same colour. However, it's a start and I am very pleased with it: cheers Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I've posted this before, but here it is again, according to McD the color was dark sea gray 33B/1527 John 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Dole Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Can we presume McD dark sea gray 33B/1527 was the same as UK Extra dark sea grey? I don't remember anyone noticing a difference between Phantoms and Buccaneers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, I Dole said: Can we presume McD dark sea gray 33B/1527 was the same as UK Extra dark sea grey? I don't remember anyone noticing a difference between Phantoms and Buccaneers. 33B/1527 was a MoD store reference number, so identified a certain paint to a certain standard in a container of a certain size. Several members have been trying to find a stores number catalogue from the era with no success, so what paint was indicated is still not clear. It is also strange how the manufacturer used this kind of reference in their paint scheme but guess someone told them to do so and they simply followed the instructions. The scheme for the RAF F-4M however also mentions the same store reference number for the upper camouflage grey, and we know this is Dark Sea Grey while other elements point to 1527 actually being the same Dark Sea Grey. More on the matter in this thread from a few years ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) It has been noted here and elsewhere before, that when the FAA Phantoms were delivered from McDD they appeared to be in a different grey to the specified Extra Dark Sea Grey, could be described as a lighter grey in tone but with a more blueish hue. Not sure if same as Dark Sea Grey, maybe lighter. I've seen it said that as they went through there first periods of maintenance in the early 1970s that they were refinished in Extra Dark Sea Grey. Photos seem to back this up, but it's then relying on perception and the quality of those pictures Edited February 7, 2022 by 71chally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, I Dole said: I don't remember anyone noticing a difference between Phantoms and Buccaneers. Only the Dark Sea Grey upper surface top coat :- Photo - courtesy, the Late Dick Ward HTH Dennis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, sloegin57 said: Only the Dark Sea Grey upper surface top coat :- Photo - courtesy, the Late Dick Ward HTH Dennis Interestingly, that's a late picture so the Phantom must have been repainted by then. Neil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 This is from the Mc.D factory drawing for the RAF scheme, the dark sea grey has the same stores reference and PS number (what ever that may be) so I would venture it's safe to say that the RN Phantoms were delivered in BS381 638 Dark Sea Grey. John 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham T Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I'm sure I remember as a kid, painting the Revell 1/72 RN Phantom FG1 (actually just their US F4J with RN decals!) blue as per the instructions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Graham T said: I'm sure I remember as a kid, painting the Revell 1/72 RN Phantom FG1 (actually just their US F4J with RN decals!) blue as per the instructions! I remember that kit as well Graham. 👍 Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Bird Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, canberra kid said: This is from the Mc.D factory drawing for the RAF scheme, the dark sea grey has the same stores reference and PS number (what ever that may be) so I would venture it's safe to say that the RN Phantoms were delivered in BS381 638 Dark Sea Grey. John Maybe "MAC P.S." stands for McDonnell Aircraft Corporation Painting Standard?" Just a wild guess... Cheers, Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Navy Bird said: Maybe "MAC P.S." stands for McDonnell Aircraft Corporation Painting Standard?" Just a wild guess... Cheers, Bill That sounds very good to me Bill. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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