robw_uk Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Hive mind, does anyone have any alternative trucks that might be used for carrying broken down light vehicles (tanks/light cars)... Das Werk have the Faun but was this the only thing the Germans may have used? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 It's not my specialist subject, but I'm sure I've seen a picture of a Panzer 1 in the back of an Opel Blitz. It probably wasn't very fast with that weight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 To offer an uneducated suggestion, you could probably create a scene using any suitable vehicle that was at hand at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) One truck that does have a larger capacity was the Tatra 111 with a 10.3 ton cargo capacity and towing a trailer loaded to 22 tons. The trailer designed for transporting tanks was the 10 ton Sd.Anh. 115 and 22/23 ton Sd.Anh. 116. Interesting post here states the 'piggyback' style of transport ended after the Polish campaign. Maybe there was several of these incidents as pictured below? https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/viewtopic.php?p=1527141#p1527141 regards, Jack Edited January 10, 2022 by JackG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Found this image of a Büssing-NAG 4500A: ... which reminded me AFV Club had released a kit of Büssing-NAG with a crane. It represents the 3 ton boom, but can't confirm it was used for towing wheeled vehicles: regards, Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandsmodels Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 scammell pioneer when they could get them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I believe that "piggyback" carriage ended after Poland simply because the majority of combat AFVs had become too heavy to carry in that way and loading/unloading was simply too awkward. It remained a viable way of moving Pz 1 and 2 etc. However, loading a "broken-down" vehicle would be problematic as these trucks were not tilt-bed and did not have loading winches. How would you get a casualty vehicle on board? A disabled vehicle is more likely to be towed, possibly with tracks removed, or loaded onto one of the SdAh recovery/transport trailers. Das Werk do a nice SdAh115. This trailer had a loading winch and could be used as a loading ramp, which is one reason why you so often see Fauns towing them. But a disabled vehicle would not be able to be winched from the trailer up onto the truck. German heavy-capacity trucks were surprisingly rare, and articulated trucks were almost unknown in Germany at this time. Lighter-capacity rigids with drawbar trailers were much more common. 9 tonnes was as good as it got with the Faun and Bussing NAG. The later-war Tatra 8000 (the 111 was post-war) was 8 tonnes. Pretty much everything else maxed out at about 6 tonnes. Lighter Tatras like the T81 and 6000 were widely used by engineer units to carry or tow bridging equipment etc. The SdAh115 could in theory be pulled by anything with the drawbar capacity although the "official" tractors were the Faun 900 and Sd.Kfz 7. But it was air-braked and needed a tractor with an air brake connection - which most trucks did not have. So to circle back to the original question, the only thing currently available in plastic that fits the bill is the Das Werk Faun 900 or their SdAh with an Sd.Kfz7. Captured equipment was used and the Germans got their hands on at least one Scammell transporter rig after Dunkinrk, but IIRC it was the earlier model than that kitted by IBG and Thunder. Wespe Models do a resin Berliet GPE4 which would be capable of carring a Pz1 and possibly a Pz2, and were capable of self-loading. So that's a possbility - at €90+ though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Thanks for the correction on the Tatra, I should have checked other sources that don't fall under the wiki moniker. Also the photo I had posted of the Büssing-NAG should be the 900 series and not 4500. This seems to be a decent reference site: http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/motor_vehicles.html regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Modeller Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 You have also the half track SdKfz 9 FAMO with SdAh 116 trailer, witch is very nice The only problem with it is that's a robbery. Got one by 148€... Cheers LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsman Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I didn't mention the 9/116 combo as that is very much larger than the original question about lighter vehicles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 If there is intetest: I built recovery tanks of WW2. Only German ones. From Panzer IV recovery onward and have some in stash. Also the STABO cran. My recovery tanks are on RFI. Amost all haltrucks too on RFI. The smal vehicles trucks or half tracks with cran are actually seldom. There are lots of them in original. I supose that the field utilities, or backstage utilities did not find much intetest in the past. Consider just the whole kitchen equipment from truck onward with the horse pulled trucks. About 50 percent of goods were pulled by horses. They were used in Russia. Also the railservice. Just to think: One railway station somewhere in Russia with all the equipment neccessary. Happy modelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 An interesting read here: https://history.army.mil/html/books/104/104-7/cmhPub_104-7.pdf It confirms @Das Abteilung statement that broken down vehicles were very likely towed. According to the literature on pages 12-13 , they were towed to a collection point where they were safe from enemy fire and observation. From there they were sent either to the field repair shop or nearest rail head for shipping to a rear area facility. In all cases, tank transporters (prime movers with flatbed trailers) would move vehicles that could not do so under their own power. Also checking out early kstn files, the one for 1937 shows even then trailers were to be pulled by half tracks. https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11871okt37.htm In the illustrated chart, the trailers (also not a correct graphic) are of an early prototype ''... Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 20t (Vs. Ah. 642) and the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 8t (Vs. Ah. 654) were testing model of the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 22/23t (Sd. Ah. 116) introduced in Dec 1940 and the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 10t (Sd. Ah. 115) introduced in Apr 1938. Vs. stands for Versuch-experimental.'' https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1781 regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Modeller Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 You also have a good option. The Scammel Pioneer... German used them a lot. Cheers LM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robw_uk Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 thanks all... have put this in my back pocket for now, may bring it out again tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrfan Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) How about the second photo down 🤪 Not a transport vehicle or loading method you would expect. https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=178247&start On the same site also have look at the thread on German trailers - 116 pages of photos. https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=161260&hilit=trailers Edited January 23, 2022 by dcrfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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