JohnT Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 ASRAAM used Reported here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59615769 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head in the clouds. Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Good real world experience for what may be round the corner...🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 without details on the engangement specific, it ist still a good, real live proof of Eurofighter - ASRAAM capability against slow and low flying targets! small drone usually do not have a very high IR signature I assume! although also no IR countermeasures usually of course! definitely a better show of capability than the Aim-9X that was fooled by a Su-22'S flares? some years ago! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 The RAF’s first ever air to air missile kill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busnproplinerfan Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 I thought Syria was done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 hours ago, GMK said: The RAF’s first ever air to air missile kill? No, we managed to shoot down one of our own Jaguars in Germany back in the 1980's 🤣. Did any of the Harrier GR.3s claim any A2A kills during the Falklands? Duncan B 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macsporran Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 £200K missile? Hmm.. Depends on what they mean by a 'small' drone. I gave my son a small drone last Christmas. It cost £150. If you wanted you could stick a small transponder on it for a few quid. I hope ISIS or whoever doesn't start putting lots of cheap drones in the air to get zapped at £200K a time.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Not very cost effective but a pretty good hit. Shame they let the other one get away, but IS definitely got the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanC Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 50 minutes ago, Macsporran said: £200K missile? Hmm.. Depends on what they mean by a 'small' drone. I gave my son a small drone last Christmas. It cost £150. If you wanted you could stick a small transponder on it for a few quid. I hope ISIS or whoever doesn't start putting lots of cheap drones in the air to get zapped at £200K a time.... I suppose the answer is drone versus drone, but I've been reading that the technology needed to create an effective hunter killer isn't quite there. Air to ground is apparently a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, IanC said: I suppose the answer is drone versus drone, but I've been reading that the technology needed to create an effective hunter killer isn't quite there. Air to ground is apparently a lot easier. The answer is MANPAD. New solutions are slow in coming due to neglect, but remain the best defence against light drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Duncan B said: No, we managed to shoot down one of our own Jaguars in Germany back in the 1980's 🤣. Did any of the Harrier GR.3s claim any A2A kills during the Falklands? Duncan B RAF pilot/s flying Sea Harriers scored missile kills in the Falklands - surely that would count as the first RAF missile kill. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) This is officially the first RAF Air to Air Kill operationally ( not counting the Jaguar in Germany ( I was stationed at RAF Wildenrath at the time) since 1948 when RAF Spitfires shot down an Egyptian Spitfire. In the same war Israeli Spitfires shot down RAF Spitfires RAF Pilots attached to the USAF scored air to air kills flying Sabre's in Korea. RAF Pilots flying with the FAA on Sea Harriers scored kills over the Argentinian Air arms in fact the top scorer in that war was I think Flt Lt Morgan, But RAF Pilots manning RAF Aircraft this is the first since 1948 Edited December 17, 2021 by TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED said: This is officially the first RAF Air to Air Kill operationally...since 1948 The question was regarding missile kills, though... 8 hours ago, GMK said: The RAF’s first ever air to air missile kill? I think it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) Guns, Missiles, throwing rocks at them, it the first operational (Official not counting possibly downing stolen C130) air to air kill by the RAF since 1948. Edited December 17, 2021 by TIGER HOBBIESLIMITED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head in the clouds. Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 I don't think the pilots cares that much, he now has a kill under his belt. I assume it counts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) Presumably some sort of kill marking will be applied to the Typhoon? A gun kill would have been much more cost effective, but (1) Do RAF Typhoons have guns? and (2) a gun engagement against such a small target might be problematic. Edited December 17, 2021 by Slater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basosz Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Did the RAF not shoot down any Iraqi aircraft in either of the Gulf Wars then? Or was that all on the USAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Slater said: Presumably some sort of kill marking will be applied to the Typhoon? A gun kill would have been much more cost effective, but (1) Do RAF Typhoons have guns? and (2) a gun engagement against such a small target might be problematic. RAF Typhoons should have a gun, a working one. (There was discussion though when introducing them to delete or not service it.... ) 2 minutes ago, Basosz said: Did the RAF not shoot down any Iraqi aircraft in either of the Gulf Wars then? Or was that all on the USAF? and USN Hornets + RSAF Eagles as far as I know. and do not forget the Iraqi Airforce MiG-25 that shot down a US Hornet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Macsporran said: £200K missile? Hmm.. Depends on what they mean by a 'small' drone. I gave my son a small drone last Christmas. It cost £150. If you wanted you could stick a small transponder on it for a few quid. I hope ISIS or whoever doesn't start putting lots of cheap drones in the air to get zapped at £200K a time.... I doubt that the one shot down was a £150 drone, I'd expect something larger. Not that the IS have not used very small drones, they have used a lot of cheap commercial drones but these are generally engaged differently and would be impossible targets for a fighter aircraft. Regarding the relative costs, £200k against likely a very few thousand may sound a lot but really what matters is the kind of damage that the threat can pose, regardless of the monetary cost of the threat. Recent wars have seen a wide use of expensive ammunition against "low cost" targets, but the same targets have also caused serious damage to very expensive equipment, not to mention the value of the human lives lost. There's also the matter of the relative impact of the cost of the materials, it may well be that the RAF can afford more missiles at £200k apiece than the IS can afford drones. 9 hours ago, busnproplinerfan said: I thought Syria was done. Looks like Syria is today one of the many "mission accomplished" that turned out to not have been accomplished at all... 4 hours ago, Alan P said: Not very cost effective but a pretty good hit. Shame they let the other one get away, but IS definitely got the message. IS should have got the message a while ago considering that they have suffered way more than the loss of a drone... still, they don't seem to give up 3 hours ago, IanC said: I suppose the answer is drone versus drone, but I've been reading that the technology needed to create an effective hunter killer isn't quite there. Air to ground is apparently a lot easier. There are a number of other technologies that can destroy or stop drones and several devices designed for this job are currently used by armed services and police forces. Edited December 17, 2021 by Giorgio N 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 I'm with our Italian friend🇮🇹 200k is peanuts and if it has saved lives in the process then it's cheap at half the price. Some of you lot need to have a word with yourselves.😑 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 If it's a small drone flying quite low, I'd imagine that an experienced hunter or trap/skeet shooter with a 12 gauge shotgun might score a kill. The ultimate in cost effectiveness In the Iraq/Afghanistan unpleasantness, US forces have used obscenely expensive Javelin missiles to target individual snipers, so the will to use the weapons at hand is there (although such use brought some questions/concerns from higher authority, IIRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Macsporran said: Hmm.. Depends on what they mean by a 'small' drone. Yes, Global Hawk has a wingspan greater than a 737 - by comparison a Predator or Reaper (both of which are capable of carrying Hellfire missiles) could be classified as a "small drone" and a commercial camera drone would be "tiny" The Drones that attacked the tanker Mercer Street off Oman earlier this year weren't particularly big but did significant damage, killing 2 on the ship. All things are relative, and one would presume the powers that be determined the threat justified the response. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Slater said: If it's a small drone flying quite low, I'd imagine that an experienced hunter or trap/skeet shooter with a 12 gauge shotgun might score a kill. The ultimate in cost effectiveness In the Iraq/Afghanistan unpleasantness, US forces have used obscenely expensive Javelin missiles to target individual snipers, so the will to use the weapons at hand is there (although such use brought some questions/concerns from higher authority, IIRC). Hmm very good you volunteering? Better to knock out the opposition by stand off means as opposed to putting personnel in direct line of fire....much safer all round....unless you are on the recieving end.What do you think 🤔 0 Edited December 17, 2021 by junglierating Spellin' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Duncan B said: No, we managed to shoot down one of our own Jaguars in Germany back in the 1980's 🤣. Did any of the Harrier GR.3s claim any A2A kills during the Falklands? Duncan B Okay, first *deliberate* & *combat* air to air missile kill? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMK Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Slater said: In the Iraq/Afghanistan unpleasantness, US forces have used obscenely expensive Javelin missiles to target individual snipers, so the will to use the weapons at hand is there (although such use brought some questions/concerns from higher authority, IIRC). UK & Australian forces did the same in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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