Whistlekiller Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) Is this stuff OK for using like the old ‘Klear’ product? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-Klear-Multi-Surface-Polish/dp/B00M374RYI/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pledge+klear&qid=1639340086&sr=8-2 Edited December 15, 2021 by Whistlekiller Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Link doesn't work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Harmsworth Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Well, the link sort of works - it comes straight back to this thread. There's a (long) future/kleer/pledge discussion here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/where-can-i-find-future-floor-polish-are-they-maki-t502532.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 This is the link https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-Klear-Multi-Surface-Polish/dp/B00M374RYI/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pledge+klear&qid=1639340086&sr=8-2 I have heard revive being mentioned https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid/dp/B000ARPH4C/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=pledge+klear&qid=1639340086&sr=8-8 being similar, Lakeland Quick Shine https://www.lakeland.co.uk/20286/Quick+Shine+Floor+Finish+800ml in this thread As well as Astonish, I did have a look for this, couldn't get a handle on which was the correct product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) For what its worth this is the pledge I use. Ive been using it for decades now. Though this is the newer packaging, its the same product. https://www.meijer.com/shopping/product/pledge-multi-surface-floor-finish--27-oz/4650000182.html Just using the link as a reference, I have zero connection to the seller. Edited December 12, 2021 by Corsairfoxfouruncle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: For what its worth this is the pledge I use. Ive been using it for decades now. Though this is the newer packaging, its the same product. https://www.meijer.com/shopping/product/pledge-multi-surface-floor-finish--27-oz/4650000182.html Just using the link as a reference, I have zero connection to the seller. Betcha mines older! Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits! Cheers and good luck!.. Dave 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistlekiller Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits! Cheers and good luck!.. Dave That’s what had me confused. I’ll give some of these ideas a go and see what happens. 😎👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef N. Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Aye, this is the stuff I have when they changed name again. It's not wax that's for sure. Nearly a decade old and still nearly full. A small amount goes a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said: Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits! 2 hours ago, Whistlekiller said: That’s what had me confused. I’ll give some of these ideas a go and see what happens. 😎👍 The formulation of 'Klear' was changed due to certain chemicals being on the EU 'naughty' list. North America maintained the old formula for quite some time, and I believe so did Australia / New Zealand. Further to @Stef N. comment, above, this product DOES contain wax, get on 'tinterweb and go to the manufacturers site and down load the COSHH data sheet. The original product didn't contain wax as it started life in the commercial sector. Twenty minutes and it would happily take high foot traffic, with little chance of slips because there was zero wax content. I used to sell it into more than a few pubs, hotels and restaurants in 4x 5ltr cases. Paul 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef N. Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Thanks for the clarification.👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistlekiller Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 After some of the above advice I got a bottle of this and it seems fine. It's brought a rather cloudy Sword Bf109D-1 canopy up nicely after dipping and has sprayed evenly and quickly onto an Airfix Hawker Typhoon after camouflaging leaving a hard surface onto which to apply decals and washes. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-Multi-Surface-Polish-Liquid-Protector/dp/B073VPRMZH?th=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Has it got ammonium hydroxide in that one, as I thought the original Klear did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistlekiller Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, colin said: Has it got ammonium hydroxide in that one, as I thought the original Klear did According to the bottle it contains: “Less or the same as 5%non-ionic surfactants. Also contains Perfume, Linalool and Methylisothiazolinone”. Suffice to say, I wore a fishing snood when spraying. 😂😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 No none of those, the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface. I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, colin said: No none of those, the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface. I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid According to the US website Revive includes ammonium hydroxide. https://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/us/en/brands/pledge/Pledge--Revive-It-Multisurface-Floor-Finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Broadway said: According to the US website Revive includes ammonium hydroxide. https://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/us/en/brands/pledge/Pledge--Revive-It-Multisurface-Floor-Finish Yes that's the one I put up,the OP asked if what he put up was like the original Johnsons Klear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tojo72 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) I rather stick to modeling products myself,I really like Alclad Aqua Gloss or Vallejo Edited December 17, 2021 by Tojo72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistlekiller Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 15 hours ago, Tojo72 said: I rather stick to modeling reduces myself,I really like Alclad Aqua Gloss or Vallejo As much as I like Vallejo in general, I've had very poor results from their Gloss Varnish, hence my original question. The Matt stuff on the other hand is excellent. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis95 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. £60 kit, £50 of AM of which you'll see about 25% of, £20 of paint required for that kit , £8 on a specialist weathering thing for that one vent on said kit, £6 on modelling gloss you will use on every project nope too expensive, use a flooring product. I get the whole "it's cheaper" side of things but it still baffles me. I've not had good results off of Humbrol Gloss but I have had fantastic results with Aqua Gloss. The massive upside being that you can't accidentally muddle Alclad Aqua Gloss in the same way as you can finding a replacement for Klear. I've seen "horror stories" about muddled flooring products elsewhere before, up to a fully melted canopy so it's not something I would personally risk on. If it were the days of the original Klear, then I may well be tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckw Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Lewis95 said: The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. I guess it depends how you look at it. Klear (and the various techniques for using it) has been around a lot longer than most, if not all the acrylic paints and varnishes. I think modellers can be quite conservative - when you find something that does the job, you stick with it. I don't really think its a case of trying to save money but what I'd say is if (as I have) you have used Klear successfully for some 40 years and got the required results, why pay more for an alternative? Especially when properties like non-yellowing require many years to prove. Note - I have not been continuously for 40 years, but models finished with Klear before my long break have, following a wash, looked as if I'd built them yesterday. I'd say explain to me why I should change! Cheers Colin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis95 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 8 hours ago, ckw said: I guess it depends how you look at it. Klear (and the various techniques for using it) has been around a lot longer than most, if not all the acrylic paints and varnishes. I think modellers can be quite conservative - when you find something that does the job, you stick with it. I don't really think its a case of trying to save money but what I'd say is if (as I have) you have used Klear successfully for some 40 years and got the required results, why pay more for an alternative? Especially when properties like non-yellowing require many years to prove. Note - I have not been continuously for 40 years, but models finished with Klear before my long break have, following a wash, looked as if I'd built them yesterday. I'd say explain to me why I should change! Cheers Colin This is the thing, sure a time ago Klear would of been the gold standard but Klear is no longer made like it was back when you would of first used it. There's a massive difference (to me) when it comes to someone who's been brought up on Klear as a gloss coat vs someone getting into the hobby actively looking for a flooring product due to costs. I've seen bottles of original Klear go for upwards of £20 at a model auction. At the end of the day, it's down to the modeller and I don't judge those who do use it but ultimately, XYZ brand flooring product isn't the original Klear many know and love. Would I use original Klear if I had it? Yes. Would I tell someone to use a flooring product if they didn't have original Klear? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistlekiller Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 12:55 AM, Lewis95 said: The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. £60 kit, £50 of AM of which you'll see about 25% of, £20 of paint required for that kit , £8 on a specialist weathering thing for that one vent on said kit, £6 on modelling gloss you will use on every project nope too expensive, use a flooring product. I get the whole "it's cheaper" side of things but it still baffles me. I've not had good results off of Humbrol Gloss but I have had fantastic results with Aqua Gloss. The massive upside being that you can't accidentally muddle Alclad Aqua Gloss in the same way as you can finding a replacement for Klear. I've seen "horror stories" about muddled flooring products elsewhere before, up to a fully melted canopy so it's not something I would personally risk on. If it were the days of the original Klear, then I may well be tempted. I should state that this has nothing to do with cost whatsoever, more the result and ease of use. This stuff has been a revalation to me and hasn't damaged any of the models I've used it on. I don't have to thin it or mix it with anything and it sprays quickly with a hard surface finish. Brilliant stuff, and I can't see me changing to anything else now. 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 21/12/2021 at 00:55, Lewis95 said: The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. On 21/12/2021 at 16:21, Lewis95 said: Would I tell someone to use a flooring product if they didn't have original Klear? No. I think the problem here is "flooring product" Floor varnish/finish, ie Kleer, was a tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish. Excellent for floors. But still just a tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish, which also worked well when used by modellers, and this only happened as someone saw it's possible potential, and tried it out. Whoever joined up the dots of dipping canopies into to it would make them look clearer as it filled in the micro imperfections was thinking outside the box. (and it works very well, I was asked if a model had a vac canopy when it was just the kit one dipped at the model club) If there is another tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish., for floors, that does the same job, who cares what it's actually sold for, as long as it has the properties you want. How many modelling products are originally for something else, were found to have a modelling application, and then are sold to you in a dinky bottle for 10 times the price. Example, someone posted up the safety sheet for Tamiya Extra Thin on farcebook Ingredients 50/% Acetone, 50% Butyl Acetate/N-Butanol. If that is correct, you can make 2 litres of TET for about £20 shipped via ebay, as opposed to £4 for 40 ml.... 2 litres is 50 bottles of TET. OK, you get a natty little bottle with a brush.... And you don't need 2 litres of it.... Appliance white maybe sold for your fridge, but evidently it makes a good anti-flash white. Grey auto primer is for your car, but is just a fine grey acrylic spray paint Milliput was originally for plumbers, but it simple a two part epoxy putty, that does shrink or crack, and can be worked with water before setting. I use artist oil paint thinned with zippo type lighter fuel I mix superglue and talc for filler. which is not what these products is sold for, but they work on models. Modelling supplies are just chemicals. I doubt many were ever developed specifically for modelling, but were found to work. It good to know what the chemicals are , eg On 15/12/2021 at 19:32, colin said: the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface. I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid Does it work like the original? bear in mind we get plenty of thread about specific modelling supplies that don't work very well for their intended purpose either.... I look at pretty much everything and wonder if I can use it in some modelling way..... Think laterally.. cheers T 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Well said, Troy! I bought a sheet of 600 grit sandpaper at the hardware store and glued bit of it to flat wooden toothpicks. Makes a handy sanding tool for those hard to reach places. One sheet of the sandpaper and a box of those toothpicks costs a few dollars at best and will last a long, long time. Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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