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This is the link https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-Klear-Multi-Surface-Polish/dp/B00M374RYI/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pledge+klear&qid=1639340086&sr=8-2

 

I have heard revive being mentioned https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid/dp/B000ARPH4C/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=pledge+klear&qid=1639340086&sr=8-8 being similar,

 

Lakeland Quick Shine https://www.lakeland.co.uk/20286/Quick+Shine+Floor+Finish+800ml in this thread

 

 

 

As well as Astonish, I did have a look for this, couldn't get a handle on which was the correct product.

 

 

 

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For what its worth this is the pledge I use. Ive been using it for decades now. Though this is the newer packaging, its the same product. 
 

https://www.meijer.com/shopping/product/pledge-multi-surface-floor-finish--27-oz/4650000182.html

 

Just using the link as a reference, I have zero connection to the seller. 

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52 minutes ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:

For what its worth this is the pledge I use. Ive been using it for decades now. Though this is the newer packaging, its the same product. 
 

https://www.meijer.com/shopping/product/pledge-multi-surface-floor-finish--27-oz/4650000182.html

 

Just using the link as a reference, I have zero connection to the seller. 

 

Betcha mines older!

 

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Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? 

I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits! 

Cheers and good luck!.. Dave 

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10 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said:

Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? 

I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits! 

Cheers and good luck!.. Dave 

That’s what had me confused. I’ll give some of these ideas a go and see what happens. 😎👍

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12 hours ago, Rabbit Leader said:

Has there ever been a product that been rebranded and repackaged as often as this?? 

I swear, the owners just do it to confuse all us old gits!

 

2 hours ago, Whistlekiller said:

That’s what had me confused. I’ll give some of these ideas a go and see what happens. 😎👍

The formulation of 'Klear' was changed due to certain chemicals being on the EU 'naughty' list. North America maintained the old formula for quite some time, and I believe so did Australia / New Zealand. 

Further to @Stef N. comment, above, this product DOES contain wax, get on 'tinterweb and go to the manufacturers site and down load the COSHH data sheet. The original product didn't contain wax as it started life in the commercial sector.

Twenty minutes and it would happily take high foot traffic, with little chance of slips because there was zero wax content. I used to sell it into more than a few pubs, hotels and restaurants in 4x 5ltr cases.

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After some of the above advice I got a bottle of this and it seems fine. It's brought a rather cloudy Sword Bf109D-1 canopy up nicely after dipping and has sprayed evenly and quickly onto an Airfix Hawker Typhoon after camouflaging leaving a hard surface onto which to apply decals and washes.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-Multi-Surface-Polish-Liquid-Protector/dp/B073VPRMZH?th=1

 

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25 minutes ago, colin said:

Has it got ammonium hydroxide in that one, as I thought the original Klear did

According to the bottle it contains: “Less or the same as 5%non-ionic surfactants. Also contains Perfume, Linalool and Methylisothiazolinone”. Suffice to say, I wore a fishing snood when spraying. 😂😂😂😂

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No none of those, the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface.

I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid

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27 minutes ago, colin said:

No none of those, the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface.

I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid

 

According to the US website Revive includes ammonium hydroxide.

 

https://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/us/en/brands/pledge/Pledge--Revive-It-Multisurface-Floor-Finish

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15 hours ago, Tojo72 said:

I rather stick to modeling reduces myself,I really like Alclad Aqua Gloss or Vallejo

 

 

 

As much as I like Vallejo in general, I've had very poor results from their Gloss Varnish, hence my original question. The Matt stuff on the other hand is excellent. 👍

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The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. £60 kit, £50 of AM of which you'll see about 25% of, £20 of paint required for that kit , £8 on a specialist weathering thing for that one vent on said kit, £6 on modelling gloss you will use on every project nope too expensive, use a flooring product. I get the whole "it's cheaper" side of things but it still baffles me.

I've not had good results off of Humbrol Gloss but I have had fantastic results with Aqua Gloss. The massive upside being that you can't accidentally muddle Alclad Aqua Gloss in the same way as you can finding a replacement for Klear. I've seen "horror stories" about muddled flooring products elsewhere before, up to a fully melted canopy so it's not something I would personally risk on. If it were the days of the original Klear, then I may well be tempted.

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7 hours ago, Lewis95 said:

The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy.

I guess it depends how you look at it. Klear (and the various techniques for using it) has been around a lot longer than most, if not all the acrylic paints and varnishes. I think modellers can be quite conservative - when you find something that does the job, you stick with it. I don't really think its a case of trying to save money but what I'd say is if (as I have) you have used Klear successfully for some 40 years and got the required results, why  pay more for an alternative? Especially when properties like non-yellowing require many years to prove. 

 

Note - I have not been continuously for 40 years, but models finished with Klear before my long break have, following a wash, looked as if I'd built them yesterday. I'd say explain to me why I should change!

 

Cheers

 

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8 hours ago, ckw said:

I guess it depends how you look at it. Klear (and the various techniques for using it) has been around a lot longer than most, if not all the acrylic paints and varnishes. I think modellers can be quite conservative - when you find something that does the job, you stick with it. I don't really think its a case of trying to save money but what I'd say is if (as I have) you have used Klear successfully for some 40 years and got the required results, why  pay more for an alternative? Especially when properties like non-yellowing require many years to prove. 

 

Note - I have not been continuously for 40 years, but models finished with Klear before my long break have, following a wash, looked as if I'd built them yesterday. I'd say explain to me why I should change!

 

Cheers

 

Colin

This is the thing, sure a time ago Klear would of been the gold standard but Klear is no longer made like it was back when you would of first used it. There's a massive difference (to me) when it comes to someone who's been brought up on Klear as a gloss coat vs someone getting into the hobby actively looking for a flooring product due to costs. I've seen bottles of original Klear go for upwards of £20 at a model auction. At the end of the day, it's down to the modeller and I don't judge those who do use it but ultimately, XYZ brand flooring product isn't the original Klear many know and love.

 

Would I use original Klear if I had it? Yes.

Would I tell someone to use a flooring product if they didn't have original Klear? No. 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/21/2021 at 12:55 AM, Lewis95 said:

The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy. £60 kit, £50 of AM of which you'll see about 25% of, £20 of paint required for that kit , £8 on a specialist weathering thing for that one vent on said kit, £6 on modelling gloss you will use on every project nope too expensive, use a flooring product. I get the whole "it's cheaper" side of things but it still baffles me.

I've not had good results off of Humbrol Gloss but I have had fantastic results with Aqua Gloss. The massive upside being that you can't accidentally muddle Alclad Aqua Gloss in the same way as you can finding a replacement for Klear. I've seen "horror stories" about muddled flooring products elsewhere before, up to a fully melted canopy so it's not something I would personally risk on. If it were the days of the original Klear, then I may well be tempted.

I should state that this has nothing to do with cost whatsoever, more the result and ease of use. This stuff has been a revalation to me and hasn't damaged any of the models I've used it on. I don't have to thin it or mix it with anything and it sprays quickly with a hard surface finish. Brilliant stuff, and I can't see me changing to anything else now. 😎

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On 21/12/2021 at 00:55, Lewis95 said:

The use of flooring products in modelling always baffles me as a bit of an idiosyncrasy.

 

On 21/12/2021 at 16:21, Lewis95 said:

Would I tell someone to use a flooring product if they didn't have original Klear? No. 

I think the problem here is "flooring product"  

 

Floor varnish/finish, ie Kleer, was a tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish

 

Excellent for floors. But still just a tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish, which also worked well when used by modellers, and this only happened as someone saw it's possible potential, and tried it out.     Whoever joined up the dots of dipping canopies into to it would make them look clearer as it filled in the micro imperfections was thinking outside the box.  (and it works very well, I was asked if a model had a vac canopy when it was just the kit one dipped at the model club) 

 

If there is another tough, self levelling non yellowing acrylic varnish., for floors, that does the same job, who cares what it's actually sold for, as long as it has the properties you want.

 

How many modelling products are originally for something else,  were found to have a modelling application, and then are sold to you in a dinky bottle for 10 times the price.   

Example, someone posted up the safety sheet for Tamiya Extra Thin on farcebook

Ingredients 50/% Acetone, 50% Butyl Acetate/N-Butanol.     If that is correct,  you can make 2 litres of TET for about £20 shipped via ebay, as opposed to £4 for 40 ml....  2 litres is  50 bottles of TET.   

OK, you get a natty little bottle with a brush....    And you don't need 2 litres of it....  

 

Appliance white maybe sold for your fridge,  but evidently it makes a good anti-flash white.

Grey auto primer is for your car, but is just a fine grey acrylic spray paint

Milliput was originally for plumbers, but it simple a two part epoxy putty, that does shrink or crack,  and can be worked with water before setting.

I use artist oil paint thinned with zippo type lighter fuel

I mix superglue and talc for filler. 

which is not what these products is sold for, but they work on models. 

 

Modelling supplies are just chemicals.   I doubt many were ever developed specifically for modelling, but were found to work. 

It good to know what the chemicals are , eg

On 15/12/2021 at 19:32, colin said:

the original Klear had ammonium hydroxide in it which meant if you dipped the canopy twice say the second one would sort of melt into the first and not just sit on the surface.

I think(hope as I've just ordered some) this one seems closer to the original Klear

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pledge-11182-Revive-Transparent-Liquid

Does it work like the original?

 

bear in mind we get plenty of thread about specific modelling supplies that don't work very well for their intended purpose either....

 

I look at pretty much everything and wonder if I can use it in some modelling way.....  Think laterally.. 

 

cheers

T

    

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Well said, Troy!

 

I bought a sheet of 600 grit sandpaper at the hardware store and glued bit of it to flat wooden toothpicks. Makes a handy sanding tool for those hard to reach places.

One sheet of the sandpaper and a box of those toothpicks costs a few dollars at best and will last a long, long time.

 

 

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