Marklo Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) I thought about this a lot and I'm thinking that 2023brings a lot of significant 80ths the fall of stalingrad, Zitadel, Anzio, the defeat of the Afrika Corp, Gadalcanal (I think), all representing the tide turning against fascism in world war 2. From a historical perspective I'm fascinated by the European war and to a lesser extent the Mediterranean, but for some reason I'm not that interested in the Pacific war. Anyway I digress. The proposal woult be for any German, Soviet or allied equipment used during the Zitadel offensive, that includes a pretty large swath of aircraft, AFVs, lots of scope for dioramas and other equipment. Anyone else intetested? 1. @Marklo 2. @Robert Stuart 3. @Rob S 4. @Ozzy 5. @Tim R-T-C 6. @Prenton 7. @Corsairfoxfouruncle 8. @Longbow 9. @Jasper dog 10. @M3talpig 11. @Beazer 12. @vppelt68 13. Edited May 18, 2022 by Marklo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 A historically important battle - yes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Great idea. I must read “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer again one day soon for some inspiration as it will definitely be something from The GD Division. Please sign me up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rob S said: I must read “The Forgotten Soldier” by Guy Sajer again one day soon for some inspiration as it will definitely be something from The GD Division One of my favourites. Although controversial as there are many that say it’s a Roman du clef ie a fictional account of real world events. (Sajer made many detail errors in the text eg got the arm of the GD insignia wrong, refers to FW195 fighters and calls the vehicle they used against the partisans a Steiner) . I’d also recommend ‘tigers in the mud’ and Demolishing the Myth: The Tank Battle at Prokhorovka, Kursk, July 1943: An Operational Narrative‘ and ‘Tank warfare on the eastern front 1941-1942: Schwerpunkt’ and ‘Tank Warfare on the Eastern Front 1943-1945: red steamroller’. Edited November 25, 2021 by Marklo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Yep sign me up and when your done sign me up again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim R-T-C Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I'm definitely interested - I've got a swathe of Eastern Front aircraft (mostly Axis as there are great gaps in Soviet aircraft in my scale) so I would definitely be able to find something to suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prenton Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Hi - add my name as well, please, Mark Philip (aka Prenton) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 1, 2022 Author Share Posted May 1, 2022 Bump, come on guys this is a rich vein of modelling material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Hmmm oddly thought I’d already raised 🙋🏻♂️ my hand for this one ? Count me in with something Soviet, armor or aircraft not sure which ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbow Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Yes, yes, and Thrice Yes !! Where is @M3talpig and @Jasper dog along with a Myriad of others ?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Longbow said: Yes, yes, and Thrice Yes !! Where is @M3talpig and @Jasper dog along with a Myriad of others ?? You rang! Yeah, why not, give it a crack... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3talpig Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, Longbow said: Yes, yes, and Thrice Yes !! Where is @M3talpig and @Jasper dog along with a Myriad of others ?? Yep sign me up ..... ill have some of this 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 11 hours ago, M3talpig said: Yep sign me up ..... ill have some of this 11 hours ago, Longbow said: Yes, yes, and Thrice Yes !! Crikey, Lee and Steve together on stage again! Not sure if it's Blues Brothers or more Chuckle Brothers... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beazer Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Absolutely count me in. Stalingrad, El Alamein, and Midway we’re all huge in 42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Beazer said: Absolutely count me in. Stalingrad, El Alamein, and Midway we’re all huge in 42 Lets not forget Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, and Malta ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Yes please. It was the high point of the Panzerwaffe. I don't mean the troubled Tigers or the Panther, but the true workhorses of the Wehrmacht, PzKpfw:s III and IV with the long barrelled 60mm and 75mm KwK:s. Add the visual treats of the Schürzen and the new for 1943 Dunkelgelb base colour and we have the winners! V-P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 18, 2022 Author Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/17/2022 at 8:28 PM, vppelt68 said: Add the visual treats of the Schürzen and the new for 1943 Dunkelgelb base colour and we have the winners! V-P Well technically we had the losers, it was the first major battle where the red army managed to negate Blitzkreig tactics and use combined arms as well as the Germans, but I think I know what you mean. Probably my favourite book on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vppelt68 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I know they weren't "winners"! While it can be said the Zitadelle ended tactically in a tie, strategically Germany lost big time. Their tank armies were exhausted and stretched to their limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklo Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) On 5/19/2022 at 5:45 AM, vppelt68 said: I know they weren't "winners"! While it can be said the Zitadelle ended tactically in a tie, strategically Germany lost big time. Their tank armies were exhausted and stretched to their limits. I think there were two major contributors to the defeat ( and many minor ones) , Blitzkreig was successful because it was an extremely strategic and directed strike and used combined forces in a way never seen previously; the Germans defeated arguably superior Polish and French forces by striking hard at key objectives and destroying the enemies fighting capabilities. On the Russian front the strategy employed was to seek out a super Cannae and destroy the fighting capabilities of the red army, which the Wehrmacht almost achieved, but basically it came down to economics not strategy with Russia ( and the allies) having larger resources and being able to out manufacture Germany. The other factor was the Anzio landings and the need to withdraw divisions from the eastern front and reinforce Italy. Again arguably if Anzio hadn’t happened Zitadel might have ended differently, but thankfully it didn’t. Edited May 20, 2022 by Marklo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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