Zeppelin !

[Whofan]

@BillF67,

 

re

 

"laid strips of Scotch 3m vinyl masking tape over the marked positions."

 

I don't think Martian quite realised you were wondering - as I was - just how big the kit is if it needed 3 m(etre) tape!!

Edited December 8, 2021 by Whofan

[Chief Cohiba]

1 hour ago, Martian said:

Just don't leave your pickelhaube on @general melchett's chair, he may sit on it and we all remember how over excited he got last time that sort of thing happened. Lady Melchett tells me that she had to administer cold showers to him for a week to calm him down.

I will take extra care and leave it on. Not only to keep morale and proper attire high, I also have a vision of ye general sitting on it and like an airship with a breached hull, or rather a ballon that got stinged...

 

Stop it! I will look and stare in sole admiration on the progress of this build!

[TheBaron]

🎵 'Last Christmas, I gave you some tape

And the very next day, your Zeppelin had frames

This year, to save him from tears

They're going to ban Melchie from helmets... 🎵

[Martian]

2 hours ago, Chief Cohiba said:

I will take extra care and leave it on. Not only to keep morale and proper attire high, I also have a vision of ye general sitting on it and like an airship with a breached hull, or rather a ballon that got stinged...

 

Stop it! I will look and stare in sole admiration on the progress of this build!

You're not related to the von Melchetts of Kriegslederhosen-in-der-Sumpf by any chance are you?

3 hours ago, Whofan said:

@BillF67,

 

re

 

"laid strips of Scotch 3m vinyl masking tape over the marked positions."

 

I don't think Martian quite realised you were wondering - as I was - just how big the kit is if it needed 3 m(etre) tape!!

Scotch 3m, 2mm tape! Silly Earthling! 

3 hours ago, Whofan said:

55 minutes ago, TheBaron said:

🎵 'Last Christmas, I gave you some tape

And the very next day, your Zeppelin had frames

This year, to save him from tears

They're going to ban Melchie from helmets... 🎵

Practising your lines for this year's pantomime I see Baroness. "They're going to ban Melchie from helmets. Oh no they're not. Oh yes they most definitely are!" What is it this year? Babes in the trenches? Beauty and the General? Dick Melchett?

 

Martian 👽

[Chief Cohiba]

3 minutes ago, Martian said:

You're not related to the von Melchetts of Kriegslederhosen-in-der-Sumpf by any chance are you?

We do not speak about them, since in the battle at Schnapshügel-Bierberg in 1896 Eusebia von Melchett had tea with Baron von und zu Wurst-Bammelburg. A wee and decadent bunch they are!  

 

Jawoll!

[TheBaron]

29 minutes ago, Martian said:

What is it this year? Babes in the trenches? Beauty and the General? Dick Melchett?

It's a rather unsettling one this year Martian:

 

[Martian]

7 minutes ago, TheBaron said:

It's a rather unsettling one this year Martian:

 

As the General would say; "Don't be disgusting Darling!"

 

Unsettled of Mars 👽

[Pete in Lincs]

6 hours ago, Chief Cohiba said:

Takoms planned gift to the WWI lunatics

I think it was called shell shock back then. Biplane rigging fatigue and Helmet shock are entirely different.

 

Minnesota Mineral and Mining Corporation is the answer. What was the question again?

[Whofan]

“laid strips of Scotch 3m vinyl masking tape over the marked positions.

 

I don't think Martian quite realised you were wondering - as I was - just how big the kit is if it needed 3 m(etre) tape!!

 

Scotch 3m, 2mm tape! Silly Earthling! “

 

It’s clear my humour translator device is suffering from a glitch, as. thought I had poked fun at you!!

Edited December 8, 2021 by Whofan

[Martian]

26 minutes ago, Whofan said:

It’s clear my humour translator device is suffering from a glitch, as. thought I had poked fun at you!!

Exactly, hence the emoticon to show my remark was just part of the usual banter.

 

Martian 👽

[Chief Cohiba]

On 12/7/2021 at 5:44 PM, Martian said:

y approach to sorting these missing frames out was that I very carefully measured out and marked where I wanted the frames to be and then with equal care, laid strips of Scotch 3m vinyl masking tape over the marked positions. This requires intense concentration to get each frame exactly right and you will find it tedious. This being the case, don't try and do this all in one hit, you will go wrong.

Did you use sort of a jig for that? That was one of the first things that came in my mind when unboxing review popped up recently; that the intersection needs some (reads; a lot) of scribing here. In my mind I thought about parallel stripes of some masking sheet, in addition with the good old Dymo tape to scribe along.

 

Anyway; I'm on the edge of my seat watching you enter land where none of us has laid his feet - or tentacels - upon before!

[Martian]

Just now, Chief Cohiba said:

Did you use sort of a jig for that? That was one of the first things that came in my mind when unboxing review popped up recently; that the intersection needs some (reads; a lot) of scribing here. In my mind I thought about parallel stripes of some masking sheet, in addition with the good old Dymo tape to scribe along.

 

Anyway; I'm on the edge of my seat watching you enter land where none of us has laid his feet - or tentacels - upon before!

I marked out a line about 0.5mm forward of the join and laid my first strip of tape up to the line. I then set my dividers, use a good quality pair here, to the desired distance between frames and very carefully marked the distance off on each longeron. I then laid down another strip of tape and repeated the process until all the frames were taped up. The secret here is concentration. Should you feel your concentration begin to slip, stop, take a break and do some more later. If ever the phrase that "There are no prizes for speed in modelling" was true, it is never more apt than with this kit. Get it wrong and you will have wonky frames with all the issues of having to fill and sand them and re-scribe over filler.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Martian 👽

[npb748r]

I'm not sure I want to dive into the world of scribing as I know my accuracy wont be that good. Whilst watching your build with interest I'm now starting to think about different ways of achieving a similar result by cheating such as decals or painting. I'm waiting to see how noticeable these improvements are on your build as, if I'm honest, I'm not overly concerned with accuracy and if something proves too much of a faff I tend to ignore it and wipe it from my memory (the modelling equivalent of sticking ones head in sand !).  I'm also wondering how to display the finished model - it lacks wheels (planes) and doesn't sit nicely on strips of wood (boats), I'm way out of my comfort zone. Really enjoying the build, thanks for sharing.

[Martian]

45 minutes ago, npb748r said:

I'm not sure I want to dive into the world of scribing as I know my accuracy wont be that good. Whilst watching your build with interest I'm now starting to think about different ways of achieving a similar result by cheating such as decals or painting. I'm waiting to see how noticeable these improvements are on your build as, if I'm honest, I'm not overly concerned with accuracy and if something proves too much of a faff I tend to ignore it and wipe it from my memory (the modelling equivalent of sticking ones head in sand !).  I'm also wondering how to display the finished model - it lacks wheels (planes) and doesn't sit nicely on strips of wood (boats), I'm way out of my comfort zone. Really enjoying the build, thanks for sharing.

I am most likely going to mount the models on clear Perspex rod. It worked quite well when I built my Mark1

Models P Class Zeppelin.

 

Martian 👽

[Chief Cohiba]

8 hours ago, Martian said:

I marked out a line about 0.5mm forward of the join and laid my first strip of tape up to the line. I then set my dividers, use a good quality pair here, to the desired distance between frames and very carefully marked the distance off on each longeron. I then laid down another strip of tape and repeated the process until all the frames were taped up

Many thanks, yes, that does help. I will watch along - with patience, of course - and see. I do see som more challenges in this build, like the windows in the gondola.

 

I do feel a bit guilty, as I sit here laid back watching you working out solutions for these challenges, and benefit from your experiences in my later build. But that's modelling right, and I still wait for mine.

[Martian]

4 hours ago, Chief Cohiba said:

Many thanks, yes, that does help. I will watch along - with patience, of course - and see. I do see som more challenges in this build, like the windows in the gondola.

 

I do feel a bit guilty, as I sit here laid back watching you working out solutions for these challenges, and benefit from your experiences in my later build. But that's modelling right, and I still wait for mine.

Not sure yet whether I am going to open up the gondola windows or not as it will  be a lot of work and not much will be visible of any detail I add.

 

Martian 👽

[npb748r]

1 hour ago, Martian said:

Not sure yet whether I am going to open up the gondola windows or not as it will  be a lot of work and not much will be visible of any detail I add.

When I finally get my hands on the kit I think I'm going to treat it like a 1/350 ship build.  Without the experience of having the plastic in my hands, I'm thinking black paint for the windows on mine, that's as much as my eyes and sausage fingers will cope with I think.  

[Chief Cohiba]

1 hour ago, Martian said:

Not sure yet whether I am going to open up the gondola windows or not as it will  be a lot of work and not much will be visible of any detail I add.

I doubt as well that I will open the windows up (once it arrives - it's now scheduled for end of December),  but maybe pour some clear resin in the window holes, to add some depth and reflections.

Or maybe there will be some PE available, I think the gondolas yell for some PE. But I guess that's just wishful thinking...

[Martian]

39 minutes ago, npb748r said:

When I finally get my hands on the kit I think I'm going to treat it like a 1/350 ship build.  Without the experience of having the plastic in my hands, I'm thinking black paint for the windows on mine, that's as much as my eyes and sausage fingers will cope with I think.  

Its strange that you should mention that you are going to treat your kit as a ship build because that is exactly what it feel like to me. Totally illogical I know, but I keep feeling that I am posting in the maritime section of the forums.

25 minutes ago, Chief Cohiba said:

I doubt as well that I will open the windows up (once it arrives - it's now scheduled for end of December),  but maybe pour some clear resin in the window holes, to add some depth and reflections.

Or maybe there will be some PE available, I think the gondolas yell for some PE. But I guess that's just wishful thinking...

Even if someone does do some PE for the gondolas, I doubt if I will buy it as no matter how hard one tries, one will still not be able to see it as the hull of the ship will obstruct a clear line of sight. I am going to concentrate my efforts on the exterior of the gondolas.

 

I am somewhat surprised at the waiting time for your kit as it seems to be readily available now. I waited less than six weeks for mine and that was a pre-order, coming from China. Or has Osterreichische Post started trying to compete with the UK's Parcel Farce?

 

Martian 👽

[Chief Cohiba]

41 minutes ago, Martian said:

as a ship build because that is exactly what it feel like to me. Totally illogical I know, but I keep feeling that I am posting in the maritime section of the forums.

First think I thought when I read about this being in 1/350 scale was; "This will look great close to the Viribus Unitis (once I start to take this challenge)."

And then, it's got ship size (and in WWI a large ship that was), it's got ship scale, and, at isn't it even called "Airship"? And, at least in German, "man fährt" mit einem "Luftschiff", rather than flying in it. Yes, this has a lot of a ship.

54 minutes ago, Martian said:

I am somewhat surprised at the waiting time for your kit as it seems to be readily available now. I waited less than six weeks for mine and that was a pre-order, coming from China. Or has Osterreichische Post started trying to compete with the UK's Parcel Farce?

I ordered it at a local - well, German - dealer. Who already made an inbox review. So, in this case I can't really blame the Austrian Postal Services (which really shine in comparison to DPD, GHL, UPS, or the other logistic plagues that have risen to evil fame since then), but myself, that I didn't order it directly.

 

But I'm not in a rush, there are a few builds which I can work on, in the meantime... *cough*

 

 

[Martian]

3 hours ago, Chief Cohiba said:

But I'm not in a rush, there are a few builds which I can work on, in the meantime... *cough*

And not forgetting that in the meantime, I'm sorting out the kit's problems. Don't worry, I'm always using that trick on you Earthlings. I couldn't get away with it forever!

 

Martian 👽

[general melchett]

Good progress and forward planning Martian, your problem solving is, as usual, up to snuff. should be an interesting project.

 

However...

 

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Lady Melchett tells me that she had to administer cold showers to him for a week to calm him down.

 

 

This is quite routine, par for the course old sausage, a daily PTSD 'left-over' from the horror that was the Harrow first-year bathing cubicle experience back in the day! 

Talking of which...

 

 

Oh dear, oh dear what have we here? I'm concerned that due to involvement on this forum (and these type of threads in particular), Tony may be rapidly sinking to the same depths plumbed by Baldrick and his revolting kin...a worrying thought.

 

 

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I will take extra care and leave it on. 

That won't stop me Chief, I always pack a step ladder...just in case.

 

 

 

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 "man fährt" mit einem "Luftschiff", 

Don't be disgusting Darling...

 

 

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We do not speak about them, since in the battle at Schnapshügel-Bierberg in 1896 Eusebia von Melchett had tea with Baron von und zu Wurst-Bammelburg. A wee and decadent bunch they are!

 

You may not but we certainly do...every Christmas here at Melchett Towers, we re-enact that terrible event in great detail, culminating in the infamous tea drinking climax, a tawdry, not to mention expensive affair that usually results in serious injury, not to mention the odd death, of a servant or two along with members of the local peasantry asked/forced to participate. Aside from being a class footballer, old Eusébio had a lot to answer for! 

 

Martian, now this is the sort of level of detail I'm expecting of you to wrap yer tentacles around....set to it, my other worldly friend.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by general melchett

[Martian]

10 minutes ago, general melchett said:

Martian, now this is the sort of level of detail I'm expecting of you to wrap yer tentacles around....set to it, my other worldly friend.

 

 

 

 

You should know better than to tempt me Melchie, its a bit late for these two but if I could just find a way of reproducing the latticework of those frames.......

 

Great to see that you are no longer AWOL, that just leaves @corsaircorpwho's missing. Hang on, I have a horrible thought that I left him locked up in the naughty corner for some misdemeanour or other. 

 

Martian 👽 

[general melchett]

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Great to see that you are no longer AWOL, 

 

Yes, apologies for that...now I've returned from the Lakes and the somewhat bracing effects of storms Arwen and Barra, normal service can be resumed.....as I say, apologies for that.

 

Your thoroughly windblown and drenched general of Lincoln.  

[Martian]

1 hour ago, general melchett said:

Your thoroughly windblown and drenched general of Lincoln.  

We thought you liked that sort of thing, well, with a little regimental rubber thrown in as well.

 

Martian 👽