Adam Poultney Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, AWFK10 said: The intake cover story was mentioned on E-Goat some days before the Sun picked up on it, not that that necessarily makes it more likely to be right. I did hear about it way before the media picked it up, not from an online source. It's accurate as far as I know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Well, it is a stealth aircraft. Maybe the intake cover was invisible? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 One would think all those sensors would have warned that the cover was in situ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nachtwulf Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 So are we to believe that a red inlet cover was inadvertently left in place and no one caught it before engine run up and that it was sucked into the engine causing the jet to crash and afterwards was seen floating in the sea? Yeah, not buying that I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Beermonster1958 said: First rule of journalism : "Never let inconvenient facts get in the way of a good story" What would be the inconvenient fact here? 17 minutes ago, Nachtwulf said: So are we to believe that a red inlet cover was inadvertently left in place and no one caught it before engine run up and that it was sucked into the engine causing the jet to crash and afterwards was seen floating in the sea? Yeah, not buying that I'm afraid. Who talked about an engine inlet cover? Some cover.. some sensor cover that only gets false info when in flight? No idea, let's see! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper dog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Adam Poultney said: I did hear about it way before the media picked it up, not from an online source. It's accurate as far as I know Yep, not far off the mark as far as I know, that is also the story in UKDJ. 24/11. Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Adam Poultney said: I did hear about it way before the media picked it up, not from an online source. It's accurate as far as I know The trouble with speculation is that it is just that. At the moment, there is no official report or anything to go on, so any assertion is no more than conjecture. That said, mechanical failure (IMO) is unlikely, but FOD is ever-present and (can be) hard to pickup. What it does highlight are the dangers of operating at sea and the fact that risks are greatly increased when operating on board. Unfortunately, these losses are to be expected. Fortunately, these losses are now far more survivable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 50 minutes ago, wellsprop said: The trouble with speculation is that it is just that. Where I got it from is more than just speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 17/11/2021 at 17:30, Troffa said: So- Salvage operation anyone? A team has been sent, We came here to dive to, see all the local sunken wrecks 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 The cause is already known, the MAA investigation will be short, but the error chain will inevitably leak until MOD has decided how it will frame the public presentation. Any incident involving the F-35 will be scrutinised unfairly due to the disinformatsiya machine directed towards it, and the gleeful satisfaction of our enemies that another one has been removed from service. Why help them win this information war? We have a clear advantage in the F-35, it should be celebrated rather than denigrated 😡 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Alan P said: The cause is already known, the MAA investigation will be short, but the error chain will inevitably leak until MOD has decided how it will frame the public presentation. Any incident involving the F-35 will be scrutinised unfairly due to the disinformatsiya machine directed towards it, and the gleeful satisfaction of our enemies that another one has been removed from service. Why help them win this information war? We have a clear advantage in the F-35, it should be celebrated rather than denigrated 😡 Unfortunately if its something as simple as it seems then the doubters will gleefully trot it out, nothing you can do about that, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Just now, Julien said: Unfortunately if its something as simple as it seems then the doubters will gleefully trot it out, nothing you can do about that, True. I blame society 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Well if it is just a RBF cover I bet the tags a lot bigger now than before the incident 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Julien said: Unfortunately if its something as simple as it seems then the doubters will gleefully trot it out, nothing you can do about that, But then, if it is something that simple, it is also not too much of a concern either bigger RBFs only one option! I guess some walkaround procedural change can be expected though...at least on the ship! Aborting a takeoff in the middle of it is definitely complicated if you only have so little runway ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, exdraken said: But then, if it is something that simple, it is also not too much of a concern either bigger RBFs only one option! I guess some walkaround procedural change can be expected though...at least on the ship! Aborting a takeoff in the middle of it is definitely complicated if you only have so little runway ahead! Blimey you lot better start a bow tie event 🤣🤣🤣🤣thats not a fabric bow tie, for those who dont know check an all knowing electrical device😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads203 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 God knows where ths came from but it’s not good. Someone leaked it and will probably having a chat without coffee soon. Pretty sure the MOD won’t to impressed that it’s made out to the public but here it is. https://twitter.com/CapHornier_/status/1465355738327441418?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1465355738327441418|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url= 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Dads203 said: God knows where ths came from but it’s not good. Someone leaked it and will probably having a chat without coffee soon. Pretty sure the MOD won’t to impressed that it’s made out to the public but here it is. https://twitter.com/CapHornier_/status/1465355738327441418?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1465355738327441418|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url= Definitely not very fast on the ramp... Somehow does not contradict previous statements! The red cover could be the parashute though. Really wonder why stopping was no option... Can you even call this a crash? A takeoff accident maybe. But "airborne" is something else!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Poultney Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) And now there's a video! Confirms another detail I knew about, the pilot almost landing on the carrier (parachute caught off the edge of the deck) Edited November 29, 2021 by Adam Poultney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Riot Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 If that video is genuine then it looks like the pilot was very lucky the chute did get caught on the ship otherwise it looks like it could have run over them. Aircraft can be replaced, but not the squashy bit inside. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nheather Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The video is now on BBC News. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59470276 Not very clear but to me it looks like the pilot realises something is wrong and ejects while the aircraft is just leaving the ski jump. You don’t see the aircraft, looks like it just drops off the end of the ramp, and then you see what must be the pilot and parachute coming down. The aircraft looks to be going very slowly and the pilot makes the decision that there is not enough ground speed for take off but too late to stop so punches out. Cheers, Nigel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Dads203 said: https://twitter.com/CapHornier_/status/1465355738327441418 Heartbreaking, that. That guy's new nickname will be 'Lucky' from now on 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 15 hours ago, Dads203 said: God knows where ths came from but it’s not good. Someone leaked it and will probably having a chat without coffee soon. Pretty sure the MOD won’t to impressed that it’s made out to the public but here it is. https://twitter.com/CapHornier_/status/1465355738327441418?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1465355738327441418|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url= If that is a genuine piece of footage my question is why was the 'barn door' behind the cockpit open during a standard take off run up the ramp??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Beermonster1958 said: Too slow to take off but, too late/too fast to stop? I don't know the speed at which an F-35 hits the ramp. In any case, I'm not going to second guess a pilot facing an emergency and, having to make a split second life or death decision. John. Maybe he was already on the brakes....but did not manage to stop... 9 minutes ago, Paul J said: If that is a genuine piece of footage my question is why was the 'barn door' behind the cockpit open during a standard take off run up the ramp??? The "barn doors" are up because this is Short Take Off mode using the not fully tilted main nozzle and the lift fan together in order to achieve max take off performance 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, exdraken said: Maybe he was already on the brakes....but did not manage to stop... The "barn doors" are up because this is Short Take Off mode using the not fully tilted main nozzle and the lift fan together in order to achieve max take off performance Sounds a stupid way of taking off with things sticking up and sticking out and pointing downwards affecting airflow over the airframe to assist conventional take off!!! To me it seems to do the opposite to normal take off procedures. Crazy. Bring back proper Sea Harriers. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Paul J said: Sounds a stupid way of taking off with things sticking up and sticking out and pointing downwards affecting airflow over the airframe to assist conventional take off!!! To me it seems to do the opposite to normal take off procedures. Crazy. Bring back proper Sea Harriers. Seems to work... but indeed looks counter-intuitive Thousands of take-offs were successfully performed through this deployment alone successfully! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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