bentwaters81tfw Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10213049/British-F35-jet-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-CRASHES.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Glad the Pilot is safe. So- Salvage operation anyone? https://www.navsource.org/archives/09/37/09374322.jpg 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ouch. That's gotta be hurting the budget. I'd imagine they'll bring the aircraft us ASAP before anyone else can grab hold of it, so I hope it's not in deep water for their sakes. I suppose it'll also depend on how hard it hit the water too. A nose dive might end up with a jigsaw to recover rather than an aircraft. I hope they don't take it out of the pilot's salary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatfingers Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Wonder if they have insurance for this sort of thing? 🤔 Would hate to see the annual renewal if they do! 😬 Regards, Steve 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewolf Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Glad the pilot is safe, and that they recover the wreckage ASAP. We need to know what happened here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mike said: That's gotta be hurting the budget Only if they are gonna replace it. I assume some attrition is factored in... Glad the pilot is OK. Seems to have been just of Egypt/after leaving Suez...according to the map in the daily mail link. Is this international waters there already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Mike Sierra Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Glad the pilot escaped obviously pretty much unscathed. This line seems to suggest the aircraft is still in one piece: "The next-generation RAF F35 jet is understood to still be in the sea and has yet to be recovered after the crash at 10am this morning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceAddict Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 They say "£100m" 3 times in the first page view of the article. 🙄 Did the UK actually pay that, or are they inflating the price? Currently the F-35 is about $78m USD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads203 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Troffa said: Glad the Pilot is safe. So- Salvage operation anyone? https://www.navsource.org/archives/09/37/09374322.jpg Another link 🙂 http://fly.historicwings.com/2012/09/tomcat-deep/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 57 minutes ago, RaceAddict said: They say "£100m" 3 times in the first page view of the article. 🙄 Did the UK actually pay that, or are they inflating the price? Currently the F-35 is about $78m USD. I have of course no idea about this specific aircraft but the F-35B and C models are the more expensive variants. Is 78m including engine and equipment? then the jets got cheaper due to large orders and scaling effects. The first ones were even more expensive! then you could also factor in UK development costs that could be distributed/ broken down to individual jets... some recent articles covering price: ~ 80m$ for the F-35A models https://www.airforcemag.com/steady-f-35-price-reductions-likely-at-an-end/ https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2020/07/23/the-price-of-the-f-35-has-been-falling-but-it-could-hit-a-wall-soon/ BUT: also read this about flyaway cost/ sticker price and actual combat ready airplane costs: https://www.pogo.org/analysis/2020/10/selective-arithmetic-to-hide-the-f-35s-true-costs/ quite revealing (although for sure also a bit biased ) UK specific article: from last year, closer to the £100m ($115m) https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/latest-british-f-35b-cost-sees-24-reduction-from-first-orders/ so all in all, this loss was certainly expensive. if a replacement Lightning could be had cheaper is another story! looking forward to hear about the accident's cause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Lucky to still have the pilot in a debriefable state, salvaging the flight data will be the priority next. Glad nobody was killed, but very interested in the ultimate cause of the loss. Cost aside, this is not a good thing 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 In the history of the F-35 in service, I don't think all that many have been lost. Maybe less than 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaceAddict Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, Slater said: In the history of the F-35 in service, I don't think all that many have been lost. Maybe less than 10? This latest incident make 5 crashes in total (1 JASDF pilot lost) plus one engine fire while on the ground. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Slater said: In the history of the F-35 in service, I don't think all that many have been lost. Maybe less than 10? At least 3 B models, although one collided with its KC-130 tanker. Several A models, one by Japan that crashed into the sea(pilot lost spacial awareness if I remember correctly) and at least 1 USAF landing accident, were the HMI was part blamed, next to the pilot That's it out of my head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, exdraken said: At least 3 B models, although one collided with its KC-130 tanker. Several A models, one by Japan that crashed into the sea(pilot lost spacial awareness if I remember correctly) and at least 1 USAF landing accident, were the HMI was part blamed, next to the pilot That's it out of my head... Yea don't forget the one where the gun blew up and caused enough damage to retire the airframe. https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235091081-f-35-shoots-itself/ https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39920/a-marine-f-35b-fighter-jet-accidentally-shot-itself-with-its-own-gun-pod 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) It is good that the pilot is safe. Aircraft can be replaced a lot easier than people. Now that $78M, did that include leather seats and stereo? Sorry, I couldn't help myself - I've just recently bought a car and that's what came to mind when I read about sticker price. I realise there's nothing funny about a crash and the loss of an expensive aeroplane. I doubt the pilot, safe though he is, thought it was very funny either. From what I've read, ejections are not fun under any circumstances. Regards, Jason Edited November 18, 2021 by Learstang Additional comment added. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagRigger Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Reports say 'ditched' and shortly after takeoff. High speed and altitude make for a different salvage - me and one of mine 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagRigger Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Beermonster1958 said: Ouch😱 Just out of curiosity, what was it? I do hope the pilot wasn't on board when it crashed. John Jaguar XZ373. The pilot lost control over the Adriatic and ejected. One of several 'jigsaws' I got to help with - very interesting work https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/55338 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 12:22 AM, Corsairfoxfouruncle said: Yea don't forget the one where the gun blew up and caused enough damage to retire the airframe. There have been five airframe losses since entry into service. That wasn't one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan-o Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 A good read on the subject here. https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2021/11/keep-calm-carry-on.html Ivan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, ivan-o said: A good read on the subject here. https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2021/11/keep-calm-carry-on.html Thanks for sharing that badly-needed piece of perspective Ivan 👍 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 What an excellent blog Alan P ....couldnt agree more ....TBH I can only think of a handful of incidents that have written of aircraft ....a variety of reasons which on one occasion resulted in the death of crew and passengers. That one was particularly sad and unfortunate. People moan about the MAA but I think since its inception around 10 years ago it has definately resulted in a far lower incident rate due to mechanical or human error. I do wonder about how sim v actual flying has also contributed I know that one airframe type is at 60:40 actual/ sim with the the aspiration to turn this the otherway round.Can only imagine that sims assist greatly to make actual flight safer by being near realistic and safely being able to experience complex snd difficult situations which would difficult or impossible to perform for real in real time. Ultimately aircrew safety and survivability is improved and the comercial mandrins have less beans to count. BZ to the SAR crew also ....i believe it was 845NAS .TBC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Expensive and avoidable mistake if true! https://theaviationist.com/2021/11/24/f-35b-crash-cover-possible-cause/ If a red cover was left on.... some heads will roll... the pilot's as well? But I assume it could get quite hectic before multiple launches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, Beermonster1958 said: I think however, the key words here are "according to UK media outlet, The Sun"? 🤔😉 John True true.... But you mean they were confusing the pilot's dinghy or parachute with the "cover"? Who knows! But the point of continuing operations are a strong indicator that the root cause was quickly clear.. at least to the responsibles . Looking forward to hearing from more credible sources as well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWFK10 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 The intake cover story was mentioned on E-Goat some days before the Sun picked up on it, not that that necessarily makes it more likely to be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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