Bozothenutter Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Afaik these were block -10 aircraft, and the Hase 1/48 kit should be what's needed, but they are unobtanium atm. Would any 'small everything' (tail, rudder base, intake) version do? Ate there alternatives (Kinetic?) @dov you seem to be resident Heyl Ha'Avir expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1/48 Hasegawa F-16A with small stab tailplanes will get you where you need to go. Kinetic could too, but cockpit is F-16AM from the outset hence not appropriate. Still need the small tailplanes for Kinetic. Check out www.F-16.net for plenty of reference shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Do any of the Hase kits contain the 'old' parts? I see some backdate parts on scalemates as a plan b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Hallo @Bozothenutter I have all photos from this aircraft, 139 photos. So, I can give you all, but give me via message your mail adress. What else you need to know? What I can asure you, except radom and some other electronic surfaces the aircraft is worn down and flat! Happy modelling 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, dov said: Hallo @Bozothenutter I have all photos from this aircraft, 139 photos. So, I can give you all, but give me via message your mail adress. What else you need to know? What I can asure you, except radom and some other electronic surfaces the aircraft is worn down and flat! Happy modelling Thank pm incoming, has she been updated in any visible way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 . You need any F-16 A, does nor really matter which one. Hasegawa being the best. The stabs can easily be cut to small stabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I had Italeri for my Netz. At this time was no modification on board. As far as I know. Happy modelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 @dov kindly sent me his pictures and they are in the walkaround section. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 If you take a late kit with AM or MLU updates remember to backdate gun vents, use early drop tanks as, be aware of the difference between early and late pylons and whatever is related to ECM suite like RWR antennas or chaff and flare dispenser. Luigi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Silverkite said: early drop tanks ? What is that exactly please? Different fins? They were dropped anyways before reaching the target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 ordered a F-16A original boxing from Japan through 'bay....with shipping as it is and the holidays coming up, I'm not holding my breath! Gives me time to research anyway! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 20 hours ago, exdraken said: ? What is that exactly please? Different fins? They were dropped anyways before reaching the target yes, early squared off fins not latter ones with 45° cut nor fatter drop tanks Luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Silverkite said: yes, early squared off fins not latter ones with 45° cut nor fatter drop tanks Luigi you mean standard 370 gallon tanks, not the very big 600 gallon ones that some Israeli, or UAE F-16s use. any photos that would explain in more detail please? not very nice photo of such an F-16 the small stabs can be sen to good effect... https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1102918/742-israel-air-force-general-dynamics-f-16a-netz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverkite Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 16 hours ago, exdraken said: you mean standard 370 gallon tanks, not the very big 600 gallon ones that some Israeli, or UAE F-16s use. any photos that would explain in more detail please? not very nice photo of such an F-16 the small stabs can be sen to good effect... https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1102918/742-israel-air-force-general-dynamics-f-16a-netz If you are planning to make any of the F-16 used on that op you have to make an early F-16A either with early stabs or larger ones, early drop tanks fins were squared off, later drop tanks have a 45° cut at the end.There are threads either on ARC on F-16.net who explain nearly everything plus a single picture of the flight group waiting to take off IDF updated their Vipers in a different manner than MLU/AM variants, fatter drop tanks were not used during that op, I do have some doubts about them having flare F-4 flare dispensers between belly fins Luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt-92 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Silverkite said: I do have some doubts about them having flare F-4 flare dispensers between belly fins The one in the walkaround section from @dov 's pictures does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, alt-92 said: The one in the walkaround section from @dov 's pictures does. https://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/f16/netz/a034.jpg this one? this is a Museum aircraft from way later! no reference to 1981! it also has large stabs by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dov Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 No museum a/c at this time. Just shown on independenvr day. It may have been upgrated with all Netz (as the F-16 A) is called in IAF service. Happy modelling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Amos Dor's lovely Israeli Vipers: F-16A/B Netz book has a nice few bits on the Opera raid. They were Peace Marble 1 Block 10's, small stabs, no updated chaff / flare / ECM by that time period, UHF blade antenna under the intake instead of between the ventral fins like on Block 15's and beyond. Cheers, Andre 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Straight from 1983..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 13/11/2021 at 21:10, exdraken said: https://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/aircraft/f16/netz/a034.jpg this one? this is a Museum aircraft from way later! no reference to 1981! it also has large stabs by the way! Not a very polite response for people trying to,help you is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Julien said: Not a very polite response for people trying to,help you is it? He is right though...aircraft had a service life after that op, and was evidently updated (MSIP) after. Same frame, later config. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Julien said: Not a very polite response for people trying to,help you is it? Sorry if sounding impolite! That was not the idea definitely! and obviously I was even wrong... it was only in a museum, but still operational. The point is, it was heavily upgraded and not very representative of us original "Opera" state. One needs time period photos in order to establish something close to "truth" . The IAF was understandably also not very helpful un this respect, and are known to intentionally confuse the observers... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 now I'm hoping somebody read all the books there are about this mission and has nuggets of info to share....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 could this be.....? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozothenutter Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 not as good as the previous one, but same era......look at the gun port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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