Ratch Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I've just discovered that my Great Uncle Albert Clarke died on this ship age 18 when she was lost on 18 February 1940, and would like to model the ship. Is there a suitable starting point in model form? Ideally, I'd like 1/600, but if there are better kits in other scales I'd consider those. Here's a few links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_(H16) https://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4367.html http://www.axfordsabode.org.uk/darfo102.htm https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-10DD-19D-HMS_Daring.htm https://wartimememoriesproject.com/ww2/ships/ship.php?pid=3947 https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?388 https://dbpedia.org/page/HMS_Daring_(H16) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Ned Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 The obvious kit is the Niko 1/700 scale resin one (eg https://starling-models.co.uk/collections/niko-models/products/hms-daring-d-class-destroyer-1940 but out of stock there currently), admittedly smaller than your preferred 1/600 scale - a pretty accurate kit from the box. At 1/600, the Airfix injection-moulded HMS Hotspur would serve, although old (1963!) and more basic, and would need some alterations, depending upon your desired level of accuracy. Larger, the old (1964) Frog HMS Hero (1/500 scale - also injection-moulded), reissued with different names (eg Ivanhoe, Harvester, Impulsive) by various manufacturers, would, again, need a reasonable amount of alteration to make an accurate Daring, as would the more recent White Ensign/Atlantic Models 1/350 HMS Glowworm or HMS Harvester resin kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Gidday Ratch, in 1/600 scale I'd suggest the Airfix HMS Hotspur if you can get another. From what I've just read it seems that Daring was six feet longer than Hotspur, but at that scale that's only 3mm. As you're probably aware I prefer 1/600 also and hence don't know much of what's available in other scales, but Ned above appears very knowledgeable. Good luck. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Thank you both @Our Ned and @ArnoldAmbrose very much. This project is very much in its infancy and may take some time to come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Gidday again Ratch, knowing why you want to do this ship I think you'll feel better in your self at it's completion if you take your time to get it as good and accurate as you can. My advice for what it's worth would be not to rush it. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adm Lord De Univers Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Evening Ratch, I often use (I permanently search around on) scalemates, especially those more unusual models and as above I can only find Daring from Niko in 1/700. Super hobby are out of stock, as are jadar, so might be awaiting a new production run. If you want big, Dean's marine appear to do one in 1/96. But I have neither the space nor funds to consider something like that so cannot comment on how good this is or what you get for your money. My (very meagre) understanding of 1930s RN destroyers is that they are similar around this time period, with some exceptions and to differing extents, so you should be able to do what as suggested and modify many others to become Daring. Not sure if this link will give you the search results I got, but I just ran a search of 'destroyer' on scalemates, filtered for RN and ships, and gave me 79 hits (but many are from the wrong time period/general design - basically as Ned has set out above). Hopefully that helps a bit. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 Cheers Jeff and David, food for thought 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 This arrived yesterday, for conversion to HMS Daring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Gidday Ratch, do you have any drawings of HMS Daring? Regards, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Ned Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 There is a good set of plans of Daring, including hull lines and detailed views of weapons, boats etc, in Alastair Roach The Life and Ship Models of Norman Ough (Seaforth Publishing, 2016); they are published in a slightly larger format in the long-out-of-print Norman A Ough Royal Navy Warship Drawings (London: Neptune Publications, 1975). An example from the latter can be seen at https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/royal-navy-warship-drawings-norman-431178333. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 That site seems rather odd, having to pay to find out how much it will cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 hours ago, ArnoldAmbrose said: Gidday Ratch, do you have any drawings of HMS Daring? Regards, Jeff. No, just a few pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 I've sent you a PM. If what I suggest doesn't work I'll try to photograph a line drawing I have and post it here. You accessing it directly might be clearer though. Regards, Jeff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thank you Jeff, saved it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Not your preferred scale but congratulations on finding a kit which will give you a decent Daring without too much pain to your wallet, patience or eyesight. The E Flotilla were repeats of the D Flotilla, with some internal changes but identical dimensions (+/- 1 ft) and configuration (apart from the 2 mine-laying E class). The Tamiya kit is decent and cheap. The Airfix Hotspur is ancient, the moulds are worn and the H flotilla are that much further down the evolutionary path. I have both the books mentioned by @Our Ned (but I must admit i can't actually lay my hands on the earlier one at the mo). The ones in the later book are reproduced at about 1/640. Let me know if you need any help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 Thanks Seahawk, will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 I took the plunge and bought this I will not only build it, but use it to convert the Tamiya E Class and the Airfix Hotspur I won on e-bay last night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Gidday @Ratch, I don't how I missed this post, I've only just seen it. You won an Airfix Hotspur? Congratulations. Of course I'm now green with jealousy! 😁 Good luck with the builds, I'm looking forward to seeing them come together. Regards, Jeff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted December 3, 2021 Author Share Posted December 3, 2021 Delivered yesterday 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Gidday Ratch, I'll be following what you do with these. Hotspur into WW2 Daring? I've actually got two of those later Darings, they came in dual Tiger/Daring sets. I plan to do one as HMAS Vampire (maybe in the Spooky GB if it goes ahead) and the other I plan to convert into an Australian 'Battle' class, Anzac or Tobruk. If you like doing conversions, as I do, you can never have too many of these kits. Regards, Jeff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share Posted March 20, 2022 I reckon the Airfix Hotspur hull is 3mm short. How should I go about inserting that, or is 3mm insignificant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share Posted March 20, 2022 I've started in a small way on the Niko HMS Daring. Still researching, though running out of source material 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArnoldAmbrose Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Gidday Ratch, I lengthened a Hotspur kit for HMS Hardy but that was 9mm. To lengthen by just 3mm might be more trouble than it's worth. Also you'd have to find out if the structures on the ship need moving too. The plastic thickness of the hull wasn't consistent which made the job a bit more awkward. Below is a link to my model build, it might help you decide. HTH. Regards, Jeff. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 Thanks Jeff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratch Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 This is the first time I’ve attempted a resin and photo-etch ship. The Niko instructions are different to the assembly sequences normally portrayed in Airfix schematics. Precise location of the individual parts is very much down to the modeller as there are no positive points and resin parts require moulding plugs removing prior to their positioning. Despite my detestation of photo-etched parts, I’m trying to fit the pieces supplied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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