Blimpyboy Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Righty-oh! I'm finding references regarding Indian Sea Harrier two-tone colour schemes to be somewhat confusing. Some sources state that all Indian Sea Harrier FRS.51s were delivered in Extra dark sea grey (EDSG) over White, while others state that there were different colours (notably, Dark sea grey {DSG} over White) for different deliveries. Added to that, EDSG is mentioned as having been changed to DSG on all aircraft, after some time in service. Also - and most annoyingly - some sources seem to switch interchangeably between EDSG and DSG as the only upper surface colour. And then, some sources state that the White undersides were, at some point, changed to a pale grey, while other sources state that the White just got really, really grubby! Grrr... So, for the Sea Harrier fans out there: can you please enlighten me as to the colours most likely to have been used in IN623, as shown in the photos below? If it helps, here are some close-ups of the grey, from the same sequence of shots as the photo immediately above: Thanks in advance, BB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARDOG Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 As much as I love Sea Harriers, I'm no expert but that looks like Extra Dark Sea Grey over White to me, especially in the picture of the camera port. In the other pictures, it appears that the E.D.S.G. has faded in the bright Indian sun! Cheers, WARDOG 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) Looks like Dark Sea Grey over White to me 🤔 Edited October 29, 2021 by scotthldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaks Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 For early IN SHARs satin extra dark sea grey. For later versions the EDSG had faded down to dark sea grey - which is what I would suggest you use for the two tone camo SHARs. See below for my builds. IN604 is an earlier SHAR version from the early 80s with EDSG and IN618 is in the faded DSG tone before retirement. Hope this helps. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaks Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) Also the only IN SHARs that had a single color camo that I am aware of used a low Viz grey that I am trying to figure out what grey it was. The two tone camo are EDSG/white (early) and DSG/white (late) The little grey undersides are in all probability just grubby white and lighting Edited October 29, 2021 by Madmaks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Sorry if it is a little off topic....where did these SHAR's end up? Or are they still in service? Cheers Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaks Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Anthony in NZ said: Sorry if it is a little off topic....where did these SHAR's end up? Or are they still in service? Cheers Anthony From what I understand Anthony since retirement some of them have become static displays across cities (there is one definitely displayed in Mumbai), museums (Naval museum Goa etc) and defense establishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Madmaks said: From what I understand Anthony since retirement some of them have become static displays across cities (there is one definitely displayed in Mumbai), museums (Naval museum Goa etc) and defense establishments. Oh thanks! It seems it might be nice to have an early SHAR in the UK, but nice to know there are some survivors...thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Womby Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, Anthony in NZ said: Oh thanks! It seems it might be nice to have an early SHAR in the UK, but nice to know there are some survivors...thanks There is one. Just one IIRC. https://www.fleetairarm.com/exhibit/sea-harrier-frs1-xz493/4-36-97.aspx David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, David Womby said: There is one. Just one IIRC. https://www.fleetairarm.com/exhibit/sea-harrier-frs1-xz493/4-36-97.aspx David Nice...they did a great job considering the pilot ejected and they recovered her from the sea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blimpyboy Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Madmaks said: For later versions the EDSG had faded down to dark sea grey - which is what I would suggest you use for the two tone camo SHARs. See below for my builds. Hey, those two jets look great! Thanks for the advice and inspiration! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 While looking for images of EDSG and DSG jets side by side, I came across this one https://www.militaryimages.net/media/indian-navy-sea-harrier.84197/ Is this just a poorly reproduced photo of a EDSG jet, or a Blue over White scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavante Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I dare to suggest that the Indian Navy received them FRS.51 directly from BAe in a standard color, i.e. gray color is BS381 / 640. What is the point of using a different color if this paint was enough in stocks at the production site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/29/2021 at 9:14 PM, Anthony in NZ said: Nice...they did a great job considering the pilot ejected and they recovered her from the sea! Kinda, it's mainly Harrier GR.3 XV760 with the recovered cockpit of Sea Harrier FRS 1 XZ493 grafted on to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, 71chally said: Kinda, it's mainly Harrier GR.3 XV760 with the recovered cockpit of Sea Harrier FRS 1 XZ493 grafted on to it. Aaaah they did well, but it would be kinda nice if they could backdate a surviving FA-2 using Indian airframe parts. Or perhaps get an Indian one and paint it up to honor a lost one and crew?? Of course, easier said than done sitting on a computer making suggestion than actually doing it. However I think the Indian Historic flight are expanding their collection...maybe a swap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmaks Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 6:55 AM, scotthldr said: While looking for images of EDSG and DSG jets side by side, I came across this one https://www.militaryimages.net/media/indian-navy-sea-harrier.84197/ Is this just a poorly reproduced photo of a EDSG jet, or a Blue over White scheme? How a picture is lit greatly effects color perception. This would be EDSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 hours ago, 71chally said: Kinda, it's mainly Harrier GR.3 XV760 with the recovered cockpit of Sea Harrier FRS 1 XZ493 grafted on to it. I heard that it was an FRS.1 fuselage with GR.3 wings? Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby No Mac Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 01/11/2021 at 19:44, Madmaks said: How a picture is lit greatly effects color perception. This would be EDSG This was my thought too. At the risk of reopening a can of worms, EDSG has a particular quirk of appearing blue under certain conditions and processing methods. There was quite a lengthy thread about it on here earlier this year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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