dad's lad Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Thank you, I can use the Duxford airframe for the torpedo bay detail but I'm really looking for what there is forward of there, is there for example, a box of gubbins similar to that which you have added to this build. Clive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, perdu said: Yes it is, however the piston and jet versions have the same fuselages. I think it is the HAS4 or 5 for the piston version and the jet one is the HAS9. The torpedo fuselage is the same. Our friend @heloman1 could tell you, he was involved with producing the castings for the HAS9 I understand. Good morning Bill, if memory serves me all the HAR Mk9's were re engineered HAS Mk7 fuselages. Where the cabin floor was raise by four inches to accommodate the same fuel capacity with the addition of the torpedo bay. The cabin door was also shortened by the same amount. The Mk'9's had the Gnome nose added but the torpedo bay remained and then the designation changed to HAR (Helicopter Air Rescue) from HAS (Helicopter Anti Submarine). Hope this helps clarify the identity? Colin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHN ELLIS Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 The Aviation News drawings show the underside of the HAR9. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8yosrcgl47zp0s/AN 1.jpg?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 That is great John, I really like Mike's drawings. Real clarity and layout to suit. Good post thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 This mesh nose was always going to be a stretch beyond the clear moulded piece wasnt it. So far I have been unhappy with the actual vac-moulded piece from PETg, just not being thin enough to do the job. Last night I threw away yet another bodged PETg bit and as often happens I woke up asking myself why I wasnt casting a clear nose to work with from UV Setting resin? Answer: first time it occurred to me. As I have the nose casting mould I gave it a go, four layers of UV resin allowed to set in sequence. Gives a nobbly looking casting which after a while of sunlight and UV today might be good enough to file, sand, polish and use on the nose. A proof of concept piece, this one but who knows? When I can file this it will be reshapeable to the desired outline, but if it doesn't I will revert to plan A, use the acetate sheet I just ordered to make a better vac-formed nose. Here's where the new clear-ish piece came from Today is playday again. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I'm not sure why there are already 11 pages of this and I only noticed it now.... Anyway, great first post (for me) to start with, casting clear resin! I shall follow from now on Bill, if you don't mind Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, giemme said: I only noticed it now.... Well you have been busy G and so far I am only playing at it But this seems likely to work A little exploratory filing work gives me Oh heck Perdushake kicks in, but I think you can see the effect of gently filing Limino resin. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad's lad Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 8:32 AM, JOHN ELLIS said: The Aviation News drawings show the underside of the HAR9. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8yosrcgl47zp0s/AN 1.jpg?dl=0 That is brilliant, that you John. Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Nice out-of-the-box thinking there Bill. Looks promising (from what I can make out!) Ian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Not got the tripod fixed firmly yet Ian. 3/10 must try harder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Trying harder this time The basic clearview nose unpolished and stuck on with a strange new glue E6000 which it seems needs 24hrs to set before it may be approached. The basic shape looks OK The new nose height set with a roll of tape of a suitable width OK more tomorrow, ciao. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Ingenious! Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 Greebling begins. We are looking for this mesh effect. Out of I Close? This was last night, this a.m I have begun greebling in earnest. Hinges for nose engine access panels, stiffener tapes around the tail cone joints added and down below the repositioned horizontal strakes added from Evergreen T-sections. Later today a rebuilt-ish tripod should allow photography to happen and some more hinges and vents will be fettled up a bit. Laters folks . 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Tricky masking on that nose! I'm very much looking forward to the outcome of this greebling-ery Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Bill, you have excelled yourself. Both with the new nose and the pics! Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 Greebling home with a song on the air... Instrument shroud and codriver's step, preliminary window masking to be trimmed gently. Interesting thing at the rear of the engine compartment, possibly a ventilating hatch and the driver's lower step which is a vee shaped additional step for crew entry. Lotsa more knobs bumps and hingey thingeys to come plus more skin stiffening panel pieces around the tail cone tomorrow. And tomorrow may come a thin, fine layer of grey primer. See, we shall... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Those greeblies look strangely familiar I think you're right, from what I could tell that front greeble is some form of vent cover Nice work Bill, it's coming along great guns now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBaron Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 To be said in Oliver Hardy's voice: 'That's another fine mesh you've gotten us into!' Lovey work Bill. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 Some more greebled bits done and oh look the lid's on. The front end hinges need refining and more greeblies at the back needed. Tail rotor drive shaft grafted on and the prominent rib up the fin-thingy added. There are a number (blooming large number) of vents and bumps to add to the rear fuselage, both sides but at least the cabin and cockpit can be refined and closed so it can be primered. Laters folks... 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 not much laters I hope - this is real fun to watch. Made all the more funner 'cos we don't have to do any of the work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 S'only fair I suppose 'cos I got to watch you do the sam-ilar stuff on yours. So where am I? Who am I? Oh no that's an elderly Doddy Diddy-man routine, oops. OK more fettling is on board Door/window rails added next and a slightly bigger servicing platform fitted in Back of the cabin, each side are a pair of vents, up in the arch of the roof, how much ventilating they did I'm not sure but they are there and need adding to the cabin. I fastened a pointy plunger from my very last white plastic cocktail stick and plunged it into a piece of polycard over a small hole in my bench. Gwyn doesn't understand why I drilled and sculpted several sizes and shapes of hole into the Formica® worktop. Anyway, here's pointypiece. Trim that and slice down the middle and cut it back and add new rails for cabin cover. There needs to be a fit for radio next, antenna posts to be added including a pair of antennae under the nose which our residential experts may be able to tell us if the are VHF, IFF, ULHF or any other spoonful from the military alphabet soup of transmissibles. And finally for this arvo, the overdoor lamp fitted to an assortment of Westlands helicopters was crafted from that last white cocktail stick When the glue sets I can trim it to shape like that Hoist and other vents later, ciao. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry1954 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Great results so far Bill, she's really taking shape. Time for a Friday night beer perhaps? Terry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Great galloping greeblefest there Bill. She's getting more carbuncled with every update. Wonderful stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 Thanks for the hint Terry, Enville White was in so some of that had to be enjoyed. No hangover either which mixing it with ABK Pilsner can do to me. Yummy. Anyway with the HAR/HC10 well advanced and the Dragonfly sitting forlorn and neglected I decided to lavish a little love on her, The Royal Navy Dragonflys had an uncomfortable bustle fitment behind the main wheels which has various changes of shape and direction and would be heavy as all get out if I milliputted it so sheet metal work comes into play here Here's the attachment in Yeovilton. Flat sides only and every other direction and dimension with sinuous curves to aim for... yukk. So open the back and stick on the sloping floor of the bustle. Cross fingers 🤞 And consider the next move, plan:A (There's always a plan:A innit?) fit flat side panels then add curved pieces to fill in. Or plan:B Polygami, the art developed at Shizuoka many years ago by the styrene masters from the slopes of Mount Polystyreno. This entails finding a thin enough piece of placcycard to make the bustle in one piece with the assorted sinuous curves built in. Concept testing in here (Axioms tested next door...) * Quietly confident I am quietly confident that UV Setting Resin will not hold these joints in tension and that I am going to have to return to the adhesion situation before the weekend is out... We will see. *AXIOM TESTING COURTESY T.PRATCHETT ESQ AUTHOR SADLY DECEASED FUTURE CONCEPTS LOST... off the shoulders of Orion? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Wow! Apologies for negligence; this is my first catch-up with the recent be-greeblement of the Whirly, and she's looking mighty fine after all that work. You don’t show the pair of aerials under the nose, but assuming they are an identical pair the likelihood is that they are VHF homing aerials (known as “Violet Picture Homing”, and still referred to in such quaint 1950s terms as late as my 1980s Sea King training). The Sea King had a VP Homer fit ip to & including HAS5,, but in >1,000 hours in the beast I never saw it used except as a device to add workload to a harrassed pilot (probably already working with at least one “failed” primary instrument) during Instrument Rating Tests. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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