CharleyGnarlyP290 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Howdy! I am getting ready to build the Tamiya 1/48 Bf 109G-6, kit 61117 and I want to paint do it in Swiss markings. I already have a decal set for it, but need some help figuring out what colors to use for the upper surfaces. The aircraft I am doing is marked J-704. Apparently, this aircraft had an experimental camo scheme applied by the Swiss. It is a green and brown(ish) scheme, but the decal set doesn't indicate what colors they were. All of the photos I can find are of the original German scheme, pre-accident. So, does anyone here know what colors were used? Thanks a bunch in advance. Brett G Edited September 19, 2021 by CharleyGnarlyP290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicni komisar Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Factory diagram RLM 75, RLM74, RLM76 Regenssburg. Samo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Hello, Brett G Here is a photo of J-704 after the repaint, found here: There is another photo of this aircraft in Les Messerschmitt Bf 109 Suisses, special edition of Avions magazine. Unfortunately, like the one above, it can only confirm the camouflage pattern. According to the first edition of the above mentioned publications, colours of repainted aircraft are Swiss dark green and light brown. In the second editions this description changes to green and brown. It is not much, but I hope it helps. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 hours ago, CharleyGnarlyP290 said: So, does anyone here know what colors were used? this book, "That's a really wonderful book and gives the complete paint specs for all colours the Swiss used on their military aircraft. One of the best books of its type ever published." "Same author wrote "Die Messerschmitt Me 109 in der Schweizer Flugwaffe" which is an amazing book too!" from a discussion here https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/bf-109e-in-swiss-markings-which-red-t526066.html#p2812183 No idea if it has the Swiis 109 repaints, but given the Swiss are famed for being orderly, they may well have recorded the colours. PS - shame the book seems to be OOP and expensive.... Farbgebung und Kennzeichen der Schweizer Militäraviatik 1914-1950 by Hoch, Georg ISBN 10: 3905404532 - ISBN 13: 9783905404531 HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 From Georg Hoch's book, Farbgebung und Kennzeichen der Schweizer Militäraviatik 1914-1950, an original part of J-704 is a match with RLM81. It is not known if the paint was of German manufacture. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Michou said: From Georg Hoch's book, Farbgebung und Kennzeichen der Schweizer Militäraviatik 1914-1950, an original part of J-704 is a match with RLM81. It is not known if the paint was of German manufacture. Mike IS there anything else in the book on the repaints? Or, what Swiss colours were at this time? the Hyperscale link had a RAL code for the red is why I ask. Why am I now suddenly intrigued by a Swiss 109 repaint.... I wonder if there are more images in the Swiss 109 book? cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Troy Smith said: IS there anything else in the book on the repaints? Or, what Swiss colours were at this time? the Hyperscale link had a RAL code for the red is why I ask. Why am I now suddenly intrigued by a Swiss 109 repaint.... I wonder if there are more images in the Swiss 109 book? cheers T Hoch's book on colour schemes and markings has a few pages of colour patches but these are printed, not actual paint samples. Switzerland appears not to have a national colour standard equivalent to FS 595 or BS 381 and the paints are referred to by the manufacturers' name or by the Swiss Army store catalogue number. However, Georg does link the colours to RAL, RLM, FS or BS standards, sometimes with the note "not definitively documented", or "compared with an original part". The book has this to say about Me 109s Me 109 paints were later manufactured in Switzerland and were identified as follows: grau-blau K+W 1 / Art Nr 602344 (RLM65) dunkelgrün K+W 2 / Art Nr 602342 (RLM70) hellgrün K+W 3 / Art Nr 602343 (RLM71) grau-blau (or blau-grau) was later called hellblau. Note that the German Luftwaffe identified RLM70 as schwarzgrün and RLM71 as dunkelgrün. There is a photo of the damaged J-704 taken at Interlaken on 13 November 1946. The caption has the reference to the brown being similar to RLM81. I saw the Hyperscale posting with the very unhelpful comment that "red is red". My small RAL fandeck has over a dozen different types of red! The book by Georg Hoch on the Me 109 in Swiss service has been translated into English but the translation is very poor. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Blecky Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Here is a link to a build of this aircraft. This should help you with the colours used. Edited September 20, 2021 by Wm Blecky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiampieroSilvestri Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 According to the painting instructions of the AZmodel 1/72 scale kit J-704 was painted in RLM71 and RLM79 with the lower parts of the aircraft in RLM65. Saluti Giampiero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
politicni komisar Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 https://www.hataka-hobby.com/HTK-AS15-Swiss-Air-Force-Paint-Set-WW2-Period Maybe this is a simpler answer. Switzerland had its kamo colors during WWII. Samo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonbraun Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) Disregard Edited September 20, 2021 by Vonbraun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CharleyGnarlyP290 Posted September 27, 2021 Author Share Posted September 27, 2021 Excellent phot! Great view of what the right side pattern looks like... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I have no idea what the actual colors used on J-704 were, but that's a mighty darned attractive color scheme and markings! Go for it, I say! The Morane D-3801 is another aircraft that the Swiss used that was painted in a very similar scheme, plus that funky looking single engined C-3603 that looked like a Bf-110 that rear ended a Fairey Fulmar. Mike https://combatace.com/forums/topic/83787-swiss-air-force-100th-anniversary-part-33/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyGnarlyP290 Posted October 3, 2021 Author Share Posted October 3, 2021 To everyone who answered, thanks a bunch. All of this info was very helpful. Now, off to the project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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