Johnson Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Hi Folks, Can anyone help me with the starboard rear cockpit side wall of a Phantom F-4C? I'm making Robin Olds plane in the Phantom STGB using the Hobby 2000 kit, a reboxed Hasegawa kit. It contains part 20 which I recall using for the Hasegawa F-4J that I modelled a few years back.; But should it be in an F-4C? It's not mentioned in the Hobby 2000 instructions, and I can't see it in the virtual 3D cockpit of an F-4C, but that plane may have been modified. I'd hate to leave it out only to find it should have been there, so any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 It was there to box in the Navy refuelling probe on the -B, -N, and -J. This wasn't fitted on the -C as the USAF used the spine mounted receptacle for the boom refuelling system. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneheadff Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 As Bertie said...That's a Navy sidewall panel. Those pictures of a C cockpit are from Jack Melampy's great book... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Many thanks @Bertie Psmith and @coneheadff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertone139 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Good luck reaching those circuit breakers or even seeing them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Robertone139 said: Good luck reaching those circuit breakers or even seeing them. I was wondering the same thing! Perhaps a handheld mirror? Doesn't appear too smart to me. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, Robertone139 said: Good luck reaching those circuit breakers or even seeing them. I was thinking much the same, (as well as how do I portray them on my 1/72 kit). Imagine trying to find the right one in the dark with gloves on! As usual I'm getting bogged down in the cockpit with detail that will never even be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Johnson said: I was thinking much the same, (as well as how do I portray them on my 1/72 kit). Imagine trying to find the right one in the dark with gloves on! As usual I'm getting bogged down in the cockpit with detail that will never even be seen. I'd just replicate the first row of CB's that are adjacent to the outer edge of the panel. Nothing else will be seen. Maybe just use very small sections of stretched sprue? Good luck doing this in 72nd, I'll be doing the same thing in 32nd when I start my F-4C build. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Johnson said: As usual I'm getting bogged down in the cockpit with detail that will never even be seen. True, but as the Third Law of Modeling states: "As long as you know it's there, it's OK to scratchbuild minute details that won't be seen after the fuselage/wings are closed up." Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 4 hours ago, 11bravo said: I'd just replicate the first row of CB's that are adjacent to the outer edge of the panel. Nothing else will be seen. Maybe just use very small sections of stretched sprue? Yes, thanks John, I think that would work. 2 hours ago, 72modeler said: True, but as the Third Law of Modeling states: "As long as you know it's there, it's OK to scratchbuild minute details that won't be seen after the fuselage/wings are closed up. You're right Mike. And much of the fun and satisfaction is in getting the detail as right as you can, providing it works of course! Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Johnson said: Yes, thanks John, I think that would work. You're right Mike. And much of the fun and satisfaction is in getting the detail as right as you can, providing it works of course! Cheers, Operating circuit breakers in 72nd Are rather ambitious, methinks 😉 Edited September 12, 2021 by tempestfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepSea Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 hours ago, tempestfan said: Operating circuit breakers in 72nd Are rather ambitious, methinks 😉 More or less than a crew member able to operate them? 😇 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11bravo Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Robertone139 said: Good luck reaching those circuit breakers or even seeing them. Nice touch that McD went to the trouble of labeling each one. Maybe a tech could read it with the seat removed but there is not way the WSO could. Only thing I could think of would be a reference sheet that stated for "CB X, 4th row, in 3"? I've been staring at F-4 cockpits since I was a kid, I never had a clue all those circuit breakers were present. BTW, if anyone wants to check out a great F-4C cockpit reference, google USAF Museum, 3D cockpits. A fantastic reference for many aircraft cockpits including a nicely weathered F-4C pit. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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